Sports Prophet Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 This sparked when someone mentioned the potential to recruit current Canadian/USA unionites for the Pack. Certainly an additional carrot to playing professional rugby in your own continent would be the opportunity to play in a WC. Then I wondered if a full strength Canada or USA would be capable of beating a full strength Ire/Scot/Wales. Does Europe deserve its seven spots for the World Cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 of Us Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 A full strength USA or Canada would at this stage in their development struggle to be a full strength NCL side, so no. Not yet. http://www.wiganstpats.org Producing Players Since 1910 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIWIT Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, SL17 said: They wouldn’t be capable of beating an amateur side. That’s the level they are at. For possibly the first time ever, I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moove Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Assuming heritage players are being excluded (the US beat Wales not that long ago with them) then they wouldn't be close, but frankly I can't see Canada/US/Jamaica being much different in quality to Greece and the like so you could perhaps argue that last European WC spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wollongong Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 The ultimate must be a 24 country World Cup within the next two world cups. 8 European 8 Oceania/ Asia 4 Americas 4 Africa /Middle East Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage XIII Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Should start off 2 less for Australasia Pacific and 1 less for the home nations & add 1 for Africa & 1 for Asia & 1 for Latin America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 9 hours ago, Wollongong said: The ultimate must be a 24 country World Cup within the next two world cups. 8 European 8 Oceania/ Asia 4 Americas 4 Africa /Middle East Ideally yes but we’d be at risk of having some absolute mis-matches that might switch people off. I like the idea of a 16 team w/c with a developing nations w/c running alongside it at the same time. Those teams wouldn’t then get thrashed by 100 point score lines and it would give smaller clubs the chance to host matches - eg if that was happening next year there could be games at Widnes, Sheffield, Workington, Whitehaven etc etc. Who wouldn’t want to see Chile v Nigeria at Craven Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Heritage XIII said: Should start off 2 less for Australasia Pacific and 1 less for the home nations & add 1 for Africa & 1 for Asia & 1 for Latin America. 1 of the Australia/pacific qualifiers qualified through international repechage against South Africa and the USA. As for the home nations they had to qualify through the European championships/qualifiers and have earned their spot. None of these sides are undeserving imo. 1 problem the current qualification system has is that every quarter finalist qualifies automatically for the next World Cup. I can see the merits of this, but it does have the downside that it gives no respect for location meaning it can result in somewhat lopsided qualification. If everything goes to seedings then we are likely to see only 2 non-pacific nations attain this automatic qualification again (Lebanon and England). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plow Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 7 hours ago, Tommygilf said: 1 of the Australia/pacific qualifiers qualified through international repechage against South Africa and the USA. As for the home nations they had to qualify through the European championships/qualifiers and have earned their spot. None of these sides are undeserving imo. 1 problem the current qualification system has is that every quarter finalist qualifies automatically for the next World Cup. I can see the merits of this, but it does have the downside that it gives no respect for location meaning it can result in somewhat lopsided qualification. If everything goes to seedings then we are likely to see only 2 non-pacific nations attain this automatic qualification again (Lebanon and England). The only teams who should automatically qualify should be England, Australia, New Zealand and the host nation(s). Turn qualifying into an event in its self Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themainbrace Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I'm viewing this thread as a success in itself. It doesn't feel that long ago we were struggling for teams to play in the World Cup now were arguing about who should be included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Prophet Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 On 22/01/2020 at 06:25, The 4 of Us said: A full strength USA or Canada would at this stage in their development struggle to be a full strength NCL side, so no. Not yet. On 22/01/2020 at 06:27, SL17 said: They wouldn’t be capable of beating an amateur side. That’s the level they are at. On 22/01/2020 at 08:07, TIWIT said: For possibly the first time ever, I agree with you. Strange, USA competed in recent world cups haven't they? I'm sure with heritage players they should be Championship level. Am I really that out of touch on the matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrybill Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Greece and Italy both came 2nd in a group of 3 weak European teams. They should have had to play and beat Canada and USA to qualify, as Cook Islands did. Too many spots were automatically given to European teams IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: Greece and Italy both came 2nd in a group of 3 weak European teams. They should have had to play and beat Canada and USA to qualify, as Cook Islands did. Too many spots were automatically given to European teams IMO. I can see that argument. I imagine cost could be prohibitive for some of these teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 I don’t want to let anyone who’s able to play to be in the competition, teams should have to be of a certain standard otherwise the tournament will become a laughing stock. Requirements such as a domestic league with x number of teams in or number of registered players in that country would be good too, as well as a minimum number of players from said league in the WC squad, so you can’t have 20-odd blokes from the Queensland and NSW cups rocking up to represent a country none of them have been to before. With all of that, having a 16 team cup with a competitive qualification process finding the best 16 teams would be marvellous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReaper Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 On 21/01/2020 at 20:24, Wollongong said: The ultimate must be a 24 country World Cup within the next two world cups. 8 European 8 Oceania/ Asia 4 Americas 4 Africa /Middle East The union WC isn't even at 24, what makes you think it would work in league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wollongong Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 31 minutes ago, TheReaper said: The union WC isn't even at 24, what makes you think it would work in league? How many in the hockey World Cup... or cricket .... or handball... or bowls. im not basing the comment on the patterns of other sports just on the potential of my sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allora Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 No Talent is secondary to whether players are confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE RED ROOSTER Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 In answer to the OP No. and have England and New Zealand recouped their money fromn the promoter of the Denver test yet ? Quote When the pinch comes the common people will turn out to be more intelligent than the clever ones. I certainly hope so. George Orwell You either own NFTs or women’s phone numbers but not both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB90 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 On 24/01/2020 at 02:11, TheReaper said: The union WC isn't even at 24, what makes you think it would work in league? I think 16 teams is the max. And that's pushing it imo. The recent cricket world cup only had teams and that's a much bigger sport worldwide. I'm not an advocate of having minow teams that would struggle in the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Prophet Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 On 24/01/2020 at 01:33, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: Greece and Italy both came 2nd in a group of 3 weak European teams. They should have had to play and beat Canada and USA to qualify, as Cook Islands did. Too many spots were automatically given to European teams IMO. And that is exactly where I was leading to. I think six team repechage for last three or four places would have been great. Giving USA and Canada opportunities to demonstrate themselves as better peforming teams than say Greece, Scotland, Ireland, Cooks et al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Picture Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 On 23/01/2020 at 21:46, Wollongong said: How many in the hockey World Cup... or cricket .... or handball... or bowls. im not basing the comment on the patterns of other sports just on the potential of my sport. Hockey has 16, cricket a pitiful 10 and handball has 24. 31 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said: And that is exactly where I was leading to. I think six team repechage for last three or four places would have been great. Giving USA and Canada opportunities to demonstrate themselves as better peforming teams than say Greece, Scotland, Ireland, Cooks et al. The governing bodies of the game in those countries don't have any money for such a competition and little prospect of attracting any, so how would they pay for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Prophet Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, Big Picture said: The governing bodies of the game in those countries don't have any money for such a competition and little prospect of attracting any, so how would they pay for it? Grants from IRL, NRL, RFL, RLEF, national grants, commercial partners, players themselves etc etc. In essence, it is something the first three organisations above should be funding. Anything on top is cream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 7 hours ago, AB90 said: I think 16 teams is the max. And that's pushing it imo. The recent cricket world cup only had teams and that's a much bigger sport worldwide. I'm not an advocate of having minow teams that would struggle in the championship. 16 teams is the right number to have and we should stick with that for a long period of time. Question marks remain as to whether scrapping the Super Groups format was a good move, 2021 will test that. We need pre tournament sales to be strong as large drubbings will make these tough to sell once the tournaments underway , these games involving the big teams will be a challenge England v Greece, Australia v Scotland, Australia v Italy, NZ v Lebanon, NZ v Jamaica, NZ v Ireland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulga Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 On 24/01/2020 at 07:50, Eddie said: I don’t want to let anyone who’s able to play to be in the competition, teams should have to be of a certain standard otherwise the tournament will become a laughing stock. Requirements such as a domestic league with x number of teams in or number of registered players in that country would be good too, as well as a minimum number of players from said league in the WC squad, so you can’t have 20-odd blokes from the Queensland and NSW cups rocking up to represent a country none of them have been to before. With all of that, having a 16 team cup with a competitive qualification process finding the best 16 teams would be marvellous. That's already the case. You have to be an Affiliate member to qualify. There's also domestic quotas for qualification. In the press release about the qualifiers for 2021 the then RLIF stated that there would be 2 Americas spots plus the repecharge. It was a mistake on their part. Right now we need development officers in the Americas. That's number 1. We've got countries yelling out for help but get nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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