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What are the rules around players helping players? Presumably there isn't a rule against a player offering another player assistance. If so surely the key is to have a marquee player on big wages, who then out of the goodness of his heart provides certain amenities for the other players.

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1 hour ago, Big Picture said:

At that level neither the Wolfpack nor anyone else will be attracting any top RU talent.  The Aviva Premiership salary cap is 7 million £, the Top14 cap is about equal to Catalans' entire budget, and although the Pro14 doesn't have a cap a few years ago it was reportedly paying players 85% of what players in the Aviva Premiership were getting so we can notionally put their cap at 6 million £.  English RL is very much the poor cousin of RU in relative terms.

Out of interest what is the average size of an RU squad vs an RL squad (and I don’t mean fat lads but the total number of players!)

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6 hours ago, Keith989 said:

I really have no idea why you think the Top 14 would let them in? They have 3 fully professional highly competitive divisions plus a semi pro fourth division and none of those teams would be willing to let a foreign team parachuted in ahead of them. The french do have a Swiss club in their leagues but they had to start from the very bottom, which is the 8th division I think?

And most of the aforementioned clubs are haemorrhaging far more money than they could even pretend to be making, so if a newcomer came in and it was possible that this addition would open up new avenues of exposure/money, they'd jump at the chance.

Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

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1 minute ago, Futtocks said:

And most of the aforementioned clubs are haemorrhaging far more money than they could even pretend to be making, so if a newcomer came in and it was possible that this addition would open up new avenues of exposure/money, they'd jump at the chance.

The club's are funded by local mayors who pour most of their town's budgets into their rugby teams. There is no way they would let a foreign team jump the que.

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8 minutes ago, Keith989 said:

The club's are funded by local mayors who pour most of their town's budgets into their rugby teams. There is no way they would let a foreign team jump the que.

They will when the losses become too much to brush under the budgetary carpet, or a mayoral candidate wins who'll ask those awkward questions.

Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

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23 minutes ago, Man of Kent said:

Out of interest what is the average size of an RU squad vs an RL squad (and I don’t mean fat lads but the total number of players!)

I checked on that and discovered that Aviva Premiership teams dress 23 players for a match, the 15 starters and 8 subs.  If we pro-rate their 7 million £ cap  by 17/23, that makes it equivalent to 5.17 million £ for an RL-size roster of players, or almost 2-1/2 times the current SL salary cap.

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7 minutes ago, Big Picture said:

I checked on that and discovered that Aviva Premiership teams dress 23 players for a match, the 15 starters and 8 subs.  If we pro-rate their 7 million £ cap  by 17/23, that makes it equivalent to 5.17 million £ for an RL-size roster of players, or almost 2-1/2 times the current SL salary cap.

OK, so it’s about £3m higher pro-rata. Good to know, ta.

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9 minutes ago, Big Picture said:

I checked on that and discovered that Aviva Premiership teams dress 23 players for a match, the 15 starters and 8 subs.  If we pro-rate their 7 million £ cap  by 17/23, that makes it equivalent to 5.17 million £ for an RL-size roster of players, or almost 2-1/2 times the current SL salary cap.

Do they have the marquee system in RU?

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54 minutes ago, Man of Kent said:

OK, so it’s about £3m higher pro-rata. Good to know, ta.

It's not just that though, RU squad sizes are 40 plus due to the need for cover for all the specialist positions. In contrast RL is about 25. That sucks up a lot of the extra salary cap too.

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1 hour ago, Keith989 said:

The club's are funded by local mayors who pour most of their town's budgets into their rugby teams. There is no way they would let a foreign team jump the que.

Heum... what about lol ?

Public subsidies (not just mayors) make for less than 2% of the TOP14 clubs budgets these days. That's 2% too much if you ask me, but that's just a fraction of clubs ressources, and just a tiny bit of town/departements/regions's budgets ('most of', come on...)

But you're right, it will never happen nevertheless.

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3 hours ago, Man of Kent said:

Do they have the marquee system in RU?

Yes, in Eng Prem. Marquees are usually on £750k-£500k

40 minutes ago, Big Picture said:

Maybe you meant to put quoi?

Espoir is French for hope, so the Espoirs are the hopefuls i.e. reserves.

Espoirs are generally the youth, so 16-21 year olds;

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4 hours ago, Man of Kent said:

Out of interest what is the average size of an RU squad vs an RL squad (and I don’t mean fat lads but the total number of players!)

Top flight Rugby Union clubs generally have around 40+ players on the roster with double and sometimes triple coverage in most positions.  

Leicester Tigers 1st XV is 47 players atm.  Many reasons for this:

1. Multiple Cup Competitions

2.  Internationals

3.  Regular Season

There is no break for international matches in the club season so clubs go without their best players during Six Nations, November Internationals, etc.

They need the bodies to be able to fill those spots for 22 rds in the regular season + a minimum 6rds in the Heineken Cup or Euro Challenge Cup + league playoffs.

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5 hours ago, CanadianRugger said:

Top flight Rugby Union clubs generally have around 40+ players on the roster with double and sometimes triple coverage in most positions.  

Leicester Tigers 1st XV is 47 players atm.  Many reasons for this:

1. Multiple Cup Competitions

2.  Internationals

3.  Regular Season

There is no break for international matches in the club season so clubs go without their best players during Six Nations, November Internationals, etc.

They need the bodies to be able to fill those spots for 22 rds in the regular season + a minimum 6rds in the Heineken Cup or Euro Challenge Cup + league playoffs.

Cheers, Rugger.

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13 hours ago, Chamey said:

What are the rules around players helping players? Presumably there isn't a rule against a player offering another player assistance. If so surely the key is to have a marquee player on big wages, who then out of the goodness of his heart provides certain amenities for the other players.

Don't understand Chamey.

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6 hours ago, winnyason said:

Why have twp not looked at gigot? 

Spent up?

The trouble is they would most probably have to get rid of two of their 'average' player's to afford him and if what we are being informed is true that the player's are on inflated saleries there is little chance of that happening.

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8 hours ago, CanadianRugger said:

Top flight Rugby Union clubs generally have around 40+ players on the roster with double and sometimes triple coverage in most positions.  

Leicester Tigers 1st XV is 47 players atm.  Many reasons for this:

1. Multiple Cup Competitions

2.  Internationals

3.  Regular Season

There is no break for international matches in the club season so clubs go without their best players during Six Nations, November Internationals, etc.

They need the bodies to be able to fill those spots for 22 rds in the regular season + a minimum 6rds in the Heineken Cup or Euro Challenge Cup + league playoffs.

Not forgetting that in RU the front row is a specialist position and players have to be qualified to play there. So clubs will have to carry x number of spare props and hookers in case of injury and the things you’ve listed above. 

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8 hours ago, CanadianRugger said:

Top flight Rugby Union clubs generally have around 40+ players on the roster with double and sometimes triple coverage in most positions.  

Leicester Tigers 1st XV is 47 players atm.  Many reasons for this:

1. Multiple Cup Competitions

2.  Internationals

3.  Regular Season

There is no break for international matches in the club season so clubs go without their best players during Six Nations, November Internationals, etc.

They need the bodies to be able to fill those spots for 22 rds in the regular season + a minimum 6rds in the Heineken Cup or Euro Challenge Cup + league playoffs.

Not forgetting that in RU the front row is a specialist position and players have to be qualified to play there. So clubs will have to carry x number of spare props and hookers in case of injury and the things you’ve listed above. 

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