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1 minute ago, Dave T said:

We do still however have enough games to stage to allow us to meet our obligations with Sky. 

That's not to say they won't want to pay less now. 

They can absorb less, they all pocketed Toronto's share anyway didn't they?

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1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:

Considering how the SL clubs feasted on the Bulls for a number of years actually it might! 

I agree though

Tbf those clubs donated a fair bit to the Bulls. They eventually lost patience with the soap opera and refused to route central funding to the Bulls setup. Not dissimilar to TWP. That should be remembered when people make out this was all about hating TWP. 

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2 hours ago, Phil said:

That’s it for me, Rugby League can f*** right off.

A small game run by small minds, in small towns, watched by fans with smaller minds whose vision doesn’t extend beyond the shopping centre built on the decommissioned pit head. 
 

 

Just how I like it Phil, must dash the whippet is pawing at the door an'mi flat caps on't nail in t'allway, see ya.

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1 minute ago, Dave T said:

Tbf those clubs donated a fair bit to the Bulls. They eventually lost patience with the soap opera and refused to route central funding to the Bulls setup. Not dissimilar to TWP. That should be remembered when people make out this was all about hating TWP. 

Lets not forget the the Super League clubs got the Wolfpacks TV money, 

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1 minute ago, Dave T said:

There is no such thing as Toronto share. 

Well they can absorb it because all 11 clubs got more Sky money in 2020 than they did in 2019 because Toronto got promoted. Doesn't matter how you pitch it.

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Three Points

First, Toronto are gone.. Full stop from Super League no comebacks and an 11 Team Super League this year . this takes care of the issue of relegation.

Secondly, the clubs that want to go up to Super League, Toulouse, London, Widnes, Leigh, Bradford and Feathersone play the season out as a six team comp. Winners go up for 2021. One proviso, No dual registration players, You go up with your own club's players or not.

Thirdly, David Argyle should be banned by the RFL, Super League and NRL from having a shareholding in a Rugby League club as not having passed the "fit and proper person" test

That is all

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1 minute ago, wiganermike said:

TV contract is for a set number of SL games, not a set number of teams. Toronto weren't in the SL when the deal was struck so not having them playing is unlikely to affect it.

Yep Sky won't see it as tarnishing the competition at all. Nothing to see here lol.

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3 minutes ago, Scubby said:

Well they can absorb it because all 11 clubs got more Sky money in 2020 than they did in 2019 because Toronto got promoted. Doesn't matter how you pitch it.

It absolutely does. 

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7 minutes ago, Scubby said:

We don't know what is going on behind the scenes Dave. Remember the Catalans and Toronto bond for the Cup. This is a ####show and how it was left so late is tinpot. TWP could have said no to restarting in May and I don't think the game would have forced them.

Benefit of the doubt can't always go one way. 

This is a car crash alright. 

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3 minutes ago, THE RED ROOSTER said:

Three Points

First, Toronto are gone.. Full stop from Super League no comebacks and an 11 Team Super League this year . this takes care of the issue of relegation.

Secondly, the clubs that want to go up to Super League, Toulouse, London, Widnes, Leigh, Bradford and Feathersone play the season out as a six team comp. Winners go up for 2021. One proviso, No dual registration players, You go up with your own club's players or not.

Thirdly, David Argyle should be banned by the RFL, Super League and NRL from having a shareholding in a Rugby League club as not having passed the "fit and proper person" test

That is all

Except for the third point I think you are correct. 

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6 minutes ago, wiganermike said:

TV contract is for a set number of SL games, not a set number of teams. Toronto weren't in the SL when the deal was struck so not having them playing is unlikely to affect it.

It could certainly affect the next deal though.

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15 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

And if they used all home grown player's (thousands available according to Mr Perez) they can all grow in the sport together.

They wouldn't though. They'd use some but still sign Aussies and Brits... only this time with no one but themselves putting any limit on how many.

1 minute ago, THE RED ROOSTER said:

Three Points

First, Toronto are gone.. Full stop from Super League no comebacks and an 11 Team Super League this year . this takes care of the issue of relegation.

Secondly, the clubs that want to go up to Super League, Toulouse, London, Widnes, Leigh, Bradford and Feathersone play the season out as a six team comp. Winners go up for 2021. One proviso, No dual registration players, You go up with your own club's players or not.

Thirdly, David Argyle should be banned by the RFL, Super League and NRL from having a shareholding in a Rugby League club as not having passed the "fit and proper person" test

That is all

On what grounds? Surely there is a spelled out punishment or discipline, in the operating rules that must be adhered to. Even if not exactly for this case, but for financial problems in general. If no relegation was decided they are in next year, possibly with a points deduction. if that hadn't been decided then they go down to the championship. To be promoted again if that system is still in place

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1 minute ago, Dave T said:

Benefit of the doubt can't always go one way. 

This is a car crash alright. 

Toronto have to face the music over what they have done. Saying that, the clubs may regret not doing everything they can in the short term. Sky may use this as leverage to get SL by the nads.

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13 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

Lets not forget the the Super League clubs got the Wolfpacks TV money, 

Absolutely this greedy move has caused all this. I believe this is an ultimatum from David Argyle to the other Super League clubs, accept Toronto as an equal or they will walk away. 

Anyone who believes the sky tv deal will be as valuable with Leigh or Fev replacing Toronto is delusional. 

Clubs have repeatedly attacked Toronto, no sky tv money is the big one but also, a lower salary cap as they can’t possibly have club trained players yet, no additional overseas quota, and just today no access to the RFL bailout fund.

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There seems to be many people being critical of the mindset of supporters, clubs and English rugby league in general. Pointing the blame for the demise of Toronto on a general small minded and inward thinking selfish attitude of the English game. Some of these things may be not too far off the mark. However when the Toronto project was first announced dont forget this northern game gave them a chance. I cant think of any other professional sport that would have even considered the Toronto application with all its potential problems of having a Canadian team playing in a European league. Looks like it hasn't worked out but dont put all the blame one way. The project had too many flaws to survive. 

Been following this game a long time now and seen many come and go. Give it a few more years and someone else will pop up thinking he can buy his way into the game. If that happens I hope he does his research this time and not copy the many failed models of the past. Finally if Brian noble is still around when this happens, give the bloke a wide berth.

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6 minutes ago, Scubby said:

Yep, buyers are queuing up for that kind of purchase atm.

Your economics are way off. Times like these are when the truly wealthy strike. 

Its just a wind up, I don't really advocate selling up that land for anything. Especially short term non physical assets like player contracts. 

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5 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

There seems to be many people being critical of the mindset of supporters, clubs and English rugby league in general. Pointing the blame for the demise of Toronto on a general small minded and inward thinking selfish attitude of the English game. Some of these things may be not too far off the mark. However when the Toronto project was first announced dont forget this northern game gave them a chance. I cant think of any other professional sport that would have even considered the Toronto application with all its potential problems of having a Canadian team playing in a European league. Looks like it hasn't worked out but dont put all the blame one way. The project had too many flaws to survive. 

There were a lot of issues. A lot. And I don't think that can be overlooked.

But there were also huge burdens placed on the club in return that went beyond fairness and balance, and into the realms of short term greed from the other clubs.

It's a sad day that it's come to this. Toronto could have been a great opportunity. Rugby league has blown it. Both in the people who were running the club itself and those charged with running the game and its clubs here.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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