Hela Wigmen Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: Around a 1000 dropped off last time , me included 1000 STH not spending, lets say, £250 a year equates to £250,000. Spread that over the three years of licencing, thats £750,000. Making it impossible for Leigh to put together a sound enough business plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayakman Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Hela Wigmen said: He said less than a week ago that Toronto would finish this season... He is all in...always has been. According to the interview now the Wolfpack will be focusing more on player development in Canada....a very positive interview.....its on Sky Sports Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayakman Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: He said less than a week ago that Toronto would finish this season... Even Moses could not move a mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevevalerugby Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 hours ago, DEANO said: Think Toronto’s punishment should be the same as Wigan’s for breaking salary cap But at least Wigan had the courtesy to finish the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayakman Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, stevevalerugby said: But at least Wigan had the courtesy to finish the season Get real...there was no Covid and the British government wasn't kicking their players out of the country...be serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: He said less than a week ago that Toronto would finish this season... You know what changed between then and yesterday don’t you though, it’s just you can’t make snide remarks about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Kayakman said: He is all in...always has been. According to the interview now the Wolfpack will be focusing more on player development in Canada....a very positive interview.....its on Sky Sports Twitter. We'll see. I'm not confident. If Argyle is genuine, in terms of the last part of what you say, I can't see much else other than League One and using a similar model to London Skolars, West Wales Raiders and Coventry Bears. Some will say that's how they should have started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Eddie said: You know what changed between then and yesterday don’t you though, it’s just you can’t make snide remarks about that. He couldn't find someone to pay the wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayakman Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: We'll see. I'm not confident. If Argyle is genuine, in terms of the last part of what you say, I can't see much else other than League One and using a similar model to London Skolars, West Wales Raiders and Coventry Bears. Some will say that's how they should have started. Its out of our hands now....hopefully calmer heads prevail and find a way out of the mess they have created at SL HQ. Elstone is incompetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEANO Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kayakman said: Get real...there was no Covid and the British government wasn't kicking their players out of the country...be serious. 8 minutes ago, stevevalerugby said: But at least Wigan had the courtesy to finish the season Should have been kicked out sometimes you have to take a step backwards to move forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 6 hours ago, Robin Evans said: The travel isn't a tow. I enjoy that... as long as I'm not sat with anyone from cas like..... Its the jet lag after.... i kept walking into walls half asleep for a week after. It took my 3 days to master walking and talking at the same time..... That explains a few things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayakman Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Hela Wigmen said: He couldn't find someone to pay the wages. All players will be fully paid...just watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayakman Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, DEANO said: Should have been kicked out Thats the attitude! Give that man a promotion to SL HQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldbear Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Kayakman said: He is all in...always has been. According to the interview now the Wolfpack will be focusing more on player development in Canada....a very positive interview.....its on Sky Sports Twitter. If true then he already knows that they have been demoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayakman Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, Oldbear said: If true then he already knows that they have been demoted. It is what it is...either/or makes no difference to him. FORWARD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kayakman said: Its out of our hands now....hopefully calmer heads prevail and find a way out of the mess they have created at SL HQ. Elstone is incompetent. This is a problem caused by The RFL and Toronto. Failing to pay wages on time and failing to pay people you owe, leading to multiple lawsuits is not the doing of anyone else but Toronto Wolfpack. The original incompetence come on The RFL's part, who allowed Toronto into the game without any strategic plan of what they could do for Toronto, what did they want from Toronto and how they'd achieve it. After the first few years of Toronto, Elstone was right to be wary and ask more of them. He also, as the head of an organisation that isn't cash rich, couldn't go bailing Toronto out. 2 minutes ago, Kayakman said: All players will be fully paid...just watch. Again, we'll see. I hope so, as you should get what you're owed but I have my reservations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiganermike Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, Kayakman said: He is all in...always has been. According to the interview now the Wolfpack will be focusing more on player development in Canada....a very positive interview.....its on Sky Sports Twitter. There are a couple of short (roughly 2 minutes each) videos on the Sky Sports RL website now that are snippets of an interview with Jenna Brooks. May be parts of the same interview. In one he mentions being better at getting people watching games turned into people playing the sport. The second relates to changes in approach that many would be supportive of such as giving TWP full membership and working to capitalise on the early achievements in raising awareness of RL in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 21 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: 1000 STH not spending, lets say, £250 a year equates to £250,000. Spread that over the three years of licencing, thats £750,000. Making it impossible for Leigh to put together a sound enough business plan. And ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, GUBRATS said: And ? Is that not as bad as licencing itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: Is that not as bad as licencing itself? Leigh Centurions will never be offered a licence for SL , ever ,it is that simple , our location rules us out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Just now, GUBRATS said: Leigh Centurions will never be offered a licence for SL , ever ,it is that simple , our location rules us out Who knows? We don't have licencing so its all conjecture. Widnes managed it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayakman Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: This is a problem caused by The RFL and Toronto. Failing to pay wages on time and failing to pay people you owe, leading to multiple lawsuits is not the doing of anyone else but Toronto Wolfpack. The original incompetence come on The RFL's part, who allowed Toronto into the game without any strategic plan of what they could do for Toronto, what did they want from Toronto and how they'd achieve it. After the first few years of Toronto, Elstone was right to be wary and ask more of them. He also, as the head of an organisation that isn't cash rich, couldn't go bailing Toronto out. Again, we'll see. I hope so, as you should get what you're owed but I have my reservations. Hela it will all work out but you are clearly wrong on one point...it was Elstone that tried to play hardball and get Argyle to bail out the League, not the other way around. Argyle was willing to help but they tried to play him as the fool and milk him like an old dairy cow...he would have none of it. Elstone and some of the owners botched the whole thing, misread Argyle on numerous occasions although he made it very clear to them....and then they fumbled the ball like a bunch of drunken schoolboys looking at a Playboy pinup. SL management has created most of the mess (but not all). The ball is now in their court. The players will be paid...it was never in doubt...take it to the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kayakman said: Hela it will all work out but you are clearly wrong on one point...it was Elstone that tried to play hardball and get Argyle to bail out the League, not the other way around. Argyle was willing to help but they tried to play him as the fool and milk him like an old dairy cow...he would have none of it. Elstone and some of the owners botched the whole thing, misread Argyle on numerous occasions although he made it very clear to them....and then they fumbled the ball like a bunch of drunken schoolboys looking at a Playboy pinup. SL management has created most of the mess (but not all). The ball is now in their court. The players will be paid...it was never in doubt...take it to the bank. I don't think Argyle, a man that has failed to pay numerous bills on time over the past three and a half years, a man who has failed to pay player wages on time for the past 6-7 months and has made racist comments to a player in the last year, needs any help in looking the fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayakman Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: I don't think Argyle, a man that has failed to pay numerous bills on time over the past three and a half years, a man who has failed to pay player wages on time for the past 6-7 months and has made racist comments to a player in the last year, needs any help in looking the fool. He is dumb like a fox, thats for sure. Just watch how it all plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 It should be pointed out that the Visa issue has been resolved, thanks to the RFL, as acknowledged by Bob Hunter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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