briggyq Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 5 hours ago, Dave T said: Nobody will hold it against SL if players don't get paid. They will rightly hold it against TWP, their employer. Totally agree with you, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldbear Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 9 hours ago, CanadianRugger said: Latest from the media: Four interested buyers in TWP. Vickers, McDermott and Hunter are the ones negotiating. All four buyers are only interested in Toronto Toronto Wolfpack if they remain in Super League. Not sure how confident I would be with Mr Vickers negotiating. One thing we do know is that the admin side of TWP was a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 19 hours ago, CanadianRugger said: I know there are a few here who don't want that but the players getting paid relies on it so won't that make the league look good Is that an imaginary arm you are shoving up the back of SL clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binosh Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 "Run away from paying the pack" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfTexEvans Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 After all the years of bile for pointing things out regarding the type of people involved and things that just dont ring true. This thread is now very funny to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Evans Thigh Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 On 08/08/2020 at 09:30, Gerrumonside ref said: I think the hardcore NFL fans got disillusioned with a second rate product on the field until only the German based teams remained. Basically the best players were playing in the states and only rejects or practice squad members made it to NFL Europe. Some players did make the reverse journey back to America with success, but crucially they weren’t big names while in Europe. I think the reason NFL regular season games are so successful in London is that the games are meaningful and the teams are sending their best players. Which is exactly why a NA RL league would not be any kind of real success. Formerly Alistair Boyd-Meaney fifty thousand Poouunds from Keighley...weve had im gid." MIPM Project Management and Business Solutions " Discounts available for forum members contact me for details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldbear Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Tex Evans Thigh said: Which is exactly why a NA RL league would not be any kind of real success. Correct, it’s also evidenced in that although the NFL is a runaway success, and the college game also a runaway success (because 1 it breeds players for the NFL and 2 because of long standing alumni support), other versions of gridiron in NA such as the XFL have struggled, because people here don’t pay to watch second rate product. The only way a NA RL league could work is if all the best talent played in NA and that’s not happening anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIWIT Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 And yet the failed XFL still sold for $15 million. SL should be such a failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeytherRob Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Reporting in the league express that Ricky Wilbys bid had withdrawn due to Eric Perez being unwilling to sell his minority stake, so it looks like we're down to the 2 previously unknown bidders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearTheVee Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 2 hours ago, LeytherRob said: Reporting in the league express that Ricky Wilbys bid had withdrawn due to Eric Perez being unwilling to sell his minority stake, so it looks like we're down to the 2 previously unknown bidders. Unwilling to sell his minority stake - classic. TWP are broke, there is zero equity value, any shareholder thinking they have a position to hold out is funny. Surely if the club is bought it will be through an insolvency procedure where being a shareholder means zilch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeytherRob Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 30 minutes ago, FearTheVee said: Unwilling to sell his minority stake - classic. TWP are broke, there is zero equity value, any shareholder thinking they have a position to hold out is funny. Surely if the club is bought it will be through an insolvency procedure where being a shareholder means zilch. The irony that it may be Eric Perez, who started the whole TW project, is likely going to be the one that pulls the final trigger on it's demise is certainly not lost on me. Can't see a way back for them now barring a miracle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooleboy Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 3 hours ago, LeytherRob said: Reporting in the league express that Ricky Wilbys bid had withdrawn due to Eric Perez being unwilling to sell his minority stake, so it looks like we're down to the 2 previously unknown bidders. What a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrisbaneRhino Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 I think its sad that Toronto may not survive. Looking from outside SL was in a slow death spiral pre COVID, and only something bold could make a difference. The way Toronto went about things was always a 'hail mary' play hoping to catch on in Canada and get some serious cash involved to move forward. It may even have worked without COVID. Unless you get Bill Gates interested there's probably no other way to do it. The most laughable criticism is that Toronto should have focused on development or even started a Canadian league. SL is utterly dependent on Aussies/Kiwis to have maybe half a dozen sides of any quality. The Melbourne Storm - hugely successful for over a decade - have produced virtually no Victorian players. Its a pipedream and utterly unfair to expect an overseas side to do something member clubs are clearly hopeless at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whippet13 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 6 hours ago, LeytherRob said: The irony that it may be Eric Perez, who started the whole TW project, is likely going to be the one that pulls the final trigger on it's demise is certainly not lost on me. Can't see a way back for them now barring a miracle. The only logical reason I can think he would not sell to Wilby's crew is that he aware of the details of at least one of the other bids and it is more attractive to him. I cannot imagine why he would want to simply kill Toronto off, throw away whatever was being offered for his stake and be pointed at as a potential scapegoat for their demise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldbear Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Whippet13 said: The only logical reason I can think he would not sell to Wilby's crew is that he aware of the details of at least one of the other bids and it is more attractive to him. I cannot imagine why he would want to simply kill Toronto off, throw away whatever was being offered for his stake and be pointed at as a potential scapegoat for their demise. There could be other reasons 1. He doesn’t believe Wilby’s crew can come up with the $ 2. He doesn’t believe Wilby’s crew will keep the team in Canada Or Wilby’s crew want to back out for their own reasons and the Perez story is a convenient excuse to drop out of the bidding. Pick one of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whippet13 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Oldbear said: There could be other reasons 1. He doesn’t believe Wilby’s crew can come up with the $ 2. He doesn’t believe Wilby’s crew will keep the team in Canada Or Wilby’s crew want to back out for their own reasons and the Perez story is a convenient excuse to drop out of the bidding. Pick one of the above. The first 2 outcomes would cost him absolutely nothing compared to the club folding though, so why would he be bothered unless something else is going on. Perez saying no as a backout smokescreen I do find credible......providing they are confident he won't sue them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeytherRob Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Several Toronto players currently taking to social media to point out they are now 3 months without pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 11 hours ago, LeytherRob said: Reporting in the league express that Ricky Wilbys bid had withdrawn due to Eric Perez being unwilling to sell his minority stake, so it looks like we're down to the 2 previously unknown bidders. It said a minority shareholder, Perez wasn't named. Is he the only minority shareholder or are we jumping to conclusions? Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeytherRob Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Just now, Blind side johnny said: It said a minority shareholder, Perez wasn't named. Is he the only minority shareholder or are we jumping t conclusions? It was mentioned somewhere but can't remember where, possibly John Davidson, if I find it I'll post a link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, LeytherRob said: It was mentioned somewhere but can't remember where, possibly John Davidson, if I find it I'll post a link It was Matthew Shaw in LE. It also says tht SL/Elstone don't want them back and want to run with 11 teams next season, with only a couple of clubs disagreeing. That would probably scupper any takeover. Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeytherRob Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said: It was Matthew Shaw in LE. It also says tht SL/Elstone don't want them back and want to run with 11 teams next season, with only a couple of clubs disagreeing. That would probably scupper any takeover. That was it, cheers. Saints and Leeds were the only hold outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeytherRob Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 minute ago, SL17 said: I thought there where 10 shareholders? Not sure how many there are but it was mentioned Perez was the one scuppering the deal. That being said that might not be the worst thing, we know absolutely nothing about Wilby's investors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIWIT Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 I think it's just as likely any potential buyers saw the terms Argyle had to put up with, realized SL would demand the same of them, and ran away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeytherRob Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Just now, TIWIT said: I think it's just as likely any potential buyers saw the terms Argyle had to put up with, realized SL would demand the same of them, and ran away. Argyle has put in well in excess of £10m if reports are to be believed, central funding up to now they'd have gotten less than £3m back. Even with the funding the problems would exist. The central funding wouldn't even cover SBW's wages, it's time to stop using that as an excuse for Argyles failure to put competent administrators in charge of spending his money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReaper Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 But the overall attitude, regardless of specific terms or amounts of money, would certainly be more than enough to chase away any potential investors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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