Dave T Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Just now, Themusician_2 said: The reputation is already damaged It's not really though is it? A team based in Toronto not finishing the season in the current climate isn't a massive surprise - the Olympics have been cancelled! F1 are just making a season up as they go along, staging multiple races in the same country. Life is different right now, it's not great but everyone is in survival mode, people understand if they want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, Themusician_2 said: The reputation is already damaged See DaveT's post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themusician_2 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 26 minutes ago, Dave T said: It's not really though is it? A team based in Toronto not finishing the season in the current climate isn't a massive surprise - the Olympics have been cancelled! F1 are just making a season up as they go along, staging multiple races in the same country. Life is different right now, it's not great but everyone is in survival mode, people understand if they want to. They couldn’t finish the season cause they don’t have money. Not cause of covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Themusician_2 said: They couldn’t finish the season cause they don’t have money. Not cause of covid. Hmm. And they aren't linked in the slightest are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, Themusician_2 said: They couldn’t finish the season cause they don’t have money. Not cause of covid. It is Mr Argyle who has no access to his money, it is Mr Argyle who is quite literally Mr TWP that has been lauded on these pages for long enough, if the well has temporarily run dry the club cannot be supported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: It is Mr Argyle who has no access to his money, it is Mr Argyle who is quite literally Mr TWP that has been lauded on these pages for long enough, of the well has temporarily run dry the club cannot be supported. And Argyle is in financial difficulty because of Covid. TWP have limited income streams because of Covid. I've made my feelings known on the poor decisions I think Argyle has made in running the club, but it is just plain wrong for people to suggest this is not to do with Covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Mr McManus is seemingly giving into Mr Argyle's funding request, but there was also another consideration that Mr Argyle demanded being that visiting clubs payed their own travel and subsistance costs, Mr McManus has far as I know has not agreed to that proposal, will the less wealthy SL clubs agree? If by any chance TWP are resurrected in the Championship, I can not see a snowball in hells chance that the clubs will or can pay their own costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themusician_2 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, Dave T said: Hmm. And they aren't linked in the slightest are they? Nope because there is a long trail of them not paying creditors and paying people late. I think the SBW signing had more of a financial hit on the than covid. Don’t spend money you clearly don’t have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themusician_2 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Dave T said: And Argyle is in financial difficulty because of Covid. TWP have limited income streams because of Covid. I've made my feelings known on the poor decisions I think Argyle has made in running the club, but it is just plain wrong for people to suggest this is not to do with Covid. Sorry lad if that were the case then they would’ve payed their creditors you know they being sued by a broadcast company in Canada for unpaid bills? This franchise has been short on money and poorly run pre-covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dave T said: And Argyle is in financial difficulty because of Covid. TWP have limited income streams because of Covid. I've made my feelings known on the poor decisions I think Argyle has made in running the club, but it is just plain wrong for people to suggest this is not to do with Covid. Off course it is to do with covid, there are thousands suffering from the same effects of being short of funds, Tesco's or the local pub will still want paying won't they though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearTheVee Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Off course it is to do with covid, there are thousands suffering from the same effects of being short of funds, Tesco's or the local pub will still want paying won't they though. COVID won't have helped but I get the impression the Toronto wolf was quite close to the door before COVID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Off course it is to do with covid, there are thousands suffering from the same effects of being short of funds, Tesco's or the local pub will still want paying won't they though. Cool, we agree. Found it strange that you liked a post saying this was nothing to do with Covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 21 minutes ago, Themusician_2 said: Sorry lad if that were the case then they would’ve payed their creditors you know they being sued by a broadcast company in Canada for unpaid bills? This franchise has been short on money and poorly run pre-covid. I put that more to an owner who puts little value on paying the little people on time. They have had plenty of examples of this, but have been investing and surviving. Being an a-hole with suppliers is not necessarily and indication of lack of funding. It is often an indication of the leader's morals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Dave T said: Cool, we agree. Found it strange that you liked a post saying this was nothing to do with Covid. Mmm, I think that the other poster was implying that pre Covid there were signs of financial difficulties eminating in Toronto, that was the way I read it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Dave T said: I put that more to an owner who puts little value on paying the little people on time. They have had plenty of examples of this, but have been investing and surviving. Being an a-hole with suppliers is not necessarily and indication of lack of funding. It is often an indication of the leader's morals. I dread to think how many owners/ex owners of clubs there have been that did the exact same thing as Perez is doing, I know for a fact the local clubs in Cumbria have done it over the years, even basically killing the club and starting back up to avoid paying their debts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Just now, Harry Stottle said: Mmm, I think that the other poster was implying that pre Covid there were signs of financial difficulties eminating in Toronto, that was the way I read it anyway. It's a little like saying the Championships are not being played because the clubs can't afford to. That may be true, but the reason they can't afford to is because of Covid. The reason TWP have run out of funding is because of Covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Just now, dkw said: I dread to think how many owners/ex owners of clubs there have been that did the exact same thing as Perez is doing, I know for a fact the local clubs in Cumbria have done it over the years, even basically killing the club and starting back up to avoid paying their debts Yes, I didn't want to go down that route, and I don't think it is helpful to the cause as the main reason for a history of this is because these clubs have been skint. This is a different situation, where an apparently rich club are not paying suppliers on time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, dkw said: I dread to think how many owners/ex owners of clubs there have been that did the exact same thing as Perez is doing, I know for a fact the local clubs in Cumbria have done it over the years, even basically killing the club and starting back up to avoid paying their debts Perez? That apart, making a conscious decision in whatever buisness an owner decides to kill their buisness to avoid paying their debts is the most unscrupulous way out to start up again, all they are doing is robbing someone else, they should be exiled from ever having or connection with a buisness ever again, or made to pay back those they owe to from any 'newco' proffits till all debts are settled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Dave T said: Yes, I didn't want to go down that route, and I don't think it is helpful to the cause as the main reason for a history of this is because these clubs have been skint. This is a different situation, where an apparently rich club are not paying suppliers on time. Not necessarily true on the differences unfortunately, sometimes its has been a decision made when they could easily have paid out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said: Perez? That apart, making a conscious decision in whatever buisness an owner decides to kill their buisness to avoid paying their debts is the most unscrupulous way out to start up again, all they are doing is robbing someone else, they should be exiled from ever having or connection with a buisness ever again, or made to pay back those they owe to from any 'newco' proffits till all debts are settled. I fully agree, but unfortunately it has happened, and will continue to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilCarrington Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said: Off course it is to do with covid, there are thousands suffering from the same effects of being short of funds, Tesco's or the local pub will still want paying won't theefoy though. So what was the excuse for not paying suppliers before March 2020? That can't be put down to Cover-19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binosh Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Sounds to me like McManus already knows Toronto are doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIWIT Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Dave T said: It's a little like saying the Championships are not being played because the clubs can't afford to. That may be true, but the reason they can't afford to is because of Covid. The reason TWP have run out of funding is because of Covid. Championship clubs can't afford to play in an empty stadium. Pretty simple. TWP faced the same problem times two. Couldn't play in an empty stadium in Toronto AND would have to pay all the costs of the visiting team. And if they played in England they'd have had to rent a stadium - and still no paying customers. Definitely Covid related. The Toronto Raptors currently play in Orlando. Toronto FC also played in Orlando but their schedule is up in the air. Toronto Blue Jays play home games in Buffalo. No crowds at any of these games but it brings in TV money that TWP didn't get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLANTISMAN Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Thats the difference TV money. Still finding the whole thing bizarre, and I have a feeling also that there is more to this than meets the eye. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Harry Stottle said: Mr McManus is seemingly giving into Mr Argyle's funding request, but there was also another consideration that Mr Argyle demanded being that visiting clubs payed their own travel and subsistance costs, Mr McManus has far as I know has not agreed to that proposal, will the less wealthy SL clubs agree? If by any chance TWP are resurrected in the Championship, I can not see a snowball in hells chance that the clubs will or can pay their own costs. Have you read the article Harry, or are you just adding your imaginary conversations with McManus to it? Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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