Harry Stottle Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Just now, Davo5 said: Similar to those who’ll never watch if P&R is scrapped ? Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Davo5 said: Similar to those who’ll never watch if P&R is scrapped ? Thought you were a Wigginer Dav, your teams on the box pay attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Davo5 said: Similar to those who’ll never watch if P&R is scrapped ? Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 5 hours ago, Blind side johnny said: Will this thread make 400 pages? What is the record? Most popular Leigh podcast ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Davo5 said: Most popular Leigh podcast ever. Lost me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Thought you were a Wigginer Dav, your teams on the box pay attention. Recovering at home from a car crash yesterday pal,I’m in enough pain without watching the whole of that rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Just now, Davo5 said: Recovering at home from a car crash yesterday pal,I’m in enough pain without watching the whole of that rubbish. Get well soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiganermike Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 4 hours ago, Harry Stottle said: How interested is LiVolsi really after his own admission that he did not give his submission the attention it deserved, Elstone said he had been advised what the topics to be covered were so half the job was done for him, I just feel that if accepted and there is something in the future he doesn't care for he will scarper, I don't think he can be trusted. I think this is more or less the prevailing opinion amongst a majority of those making the decision particularly following the half-hearted submission made last week by LiVolsi. Some obviously could yet be persuaded that he is committed for the long term given the second chance they gave him to present to them but if he wasn't committed enough to submit a proper proposal and business plan last week then it doesn't seem likely that he will be able to allay those concerns. This is why I expect the application to return will be turned down as I don't think he will be able to convince a majority that he is serious and committed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 3 hours ago, wiganermike said: I think this is more or less the prevailing opinion amongst a majority of those making the decision particularly following the half-hearted submission made last week by LiVolsi. Some obviously could yet be persuaded that he is committed for the long term given the second chance they gave him to present to them but if he wasn't committed enough to submit a proper proposal and business plan last week then it doesn't seem likely that he will be able to allay those concerns. This is why I expect the application to return will be turned down as I don't think he will be able to convince a majority that he is serious and committed. Hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeF Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 9 hours ago, Tommygilf said: Where's the denny Solomona thread?! It was “retired” but then moved to cross-code Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertAM Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 9 hours ago, Man of Kent said: He played two games off the bench in L1 for Toronto then sent on loan to Skolars the year after. I’m guessing this isn’t a big loss to the sport of rugby league. And that folks is why RL continues to lose ground to RU. League loses a promising young player to the other code and because it's a kid from outside the heartlands it's of no consequence. We should be bemoaning the loss of any player to Union not dismissing it as "no big loss' .. sad attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 57 minutes ago, RobertAM said: And that folks is why RL continues to lose ground to RU. League loses a promising young player to the other code and because it's a kid from outside the heartlands it's of no consequence. We should be bemoaning the loss of any player to Union not dismissing it as "no big loss' .. sad attitude. I don’t buy that we’re in some sort of arms race because we’ve already lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilCarrington Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 10 hours ago, Man of Kent said: He played two games off the bench in L1 for Toronto then sent on loan to Skolars the year after. I’m guessing this isn’t a big loss to the sport of rugby league. A big unit but very raw when he played, the loss is that he was the only home-grown player to play for TWP in 3 and a bit seasons. Whilst Fulham started off with bought in players, by year 4 they'd started to look closer to home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertAM Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Man of Kent said: I don’t buy that we’re in some sort of arms race because we’ve already lost. Gotta love that Churchillian spirit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 minute ago, RobertAM said: Gotta love that Churchillian spirit! Just trying to inject a little realism into the dreaming. I can just about accept the expansion arguments for Toronto even though what they’ve done up to now isn’t truly expansion in my view. But the argument that goes ‘If Toronto fold we lose rugby in North America to union forever’ is a heap of dung too far. As a ‘White Dominion’, Canada has been union territory for decades & decades and the US has a professional league. That is the way to truly expand over there. We aren’t going to beat that by having a Canadian club based in Rochdale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Man of Kent said: Just trying to inject a little realism into the dreaming. I can just about accept the expansion arguments for Toronto even though what they’ve done up to now isn’t truly expansion in my view. But the argument that goes ‘If Toronto fold we lose rugby in North America to union forever’ is a heap of dung too far. As a ‘White Dominion’, Canada has been union territory for decades & decades and the US has a professional league. That is the way to truly expand over there. We aren’t going to beat that by having a Canadian club based in Rochdale. Toronto had better crowds for 1 club playing against the likes of Rochdale, Batley and Gloucestershire All Golds, than half of Major League Rugby (Union) combined. There is real potential for RL to be the "professional code" in America with crowds etc whilst union remains a largely college pursuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: There is real potential for RL to be the "professional code" in America with crowds etc whilst union remains a largely college pursuit. How? By wishing really, really hard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReaper Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 36 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: Toronto had better crowds for 1 club playing against the likes of Rochdale, Batley and Gloucestershire All Golds, than half of Major League Rugby (Union) combined. There is real potential for RL to be the "professional code" in America with crowds etc whilst union remains a largely college pursuit. I have the same question as MoK, if not so derisively asked: how do you see that happening? I think it was always an uphills battle, but will TWP on the ropes and no other team really off the ground... not saying that there couldn't be viable pro clubs here, but not in a way that overtakes MLT or makes RU a "largely college pursuit" (it doesn't seem to be anyway, I think there are a lot more participants in amateur clubs than in college). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 27 minutes ago, Man of Kent said: How? By wishing really, really hard? That's the attitude of a Kentish Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, TheReaper said: I have the same question as MoK, if not so derisively asked: how do you see that happening? I think it was always an uphills battle, but will TWP on the ropes and no other team really off the ground... not saying that there couldn't be viable pro clubs here, but not in a way that overtakes MLT or makes RU a "largely college pursuit" (it doesn't seem to be anyway, I think there are a lot more participants in amateur clubs than in college). Professional Rugby union is lowkey in the US and Canada as the sport struggles to break out of its amateur roots into commercial success. RL has the advantage that our teams can get the legitimacy in a rugby sense from playing British and French teams in a league, unlike the lowkey NA league system RU is pushing ahead with. The direct comparison is the Wolfpack v the Arrows and its stark how much bigger the Wolfpack are despite League barely existing in Canada or the US. As they in 1895 realised, we're the entertaining game designed to get people to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReaper Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: Professional Rugby union is lowkey in the US and Canada as the sport struggles to break out of its amateur roots into commercial success. I have a different overall take. It has a relatively low profile, but given MLR is only three years old it's not actually doing terrible. Most metrics seem to be on a steady upward trajectory. 8 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: RL has the advantage that our teams can get the legitimacy in a rugby sense from playing British and French teams in a league, unlike the lowkey NA league system RU is pushing ahead with. Tbh I think that's more of advantage in Canada, where our usual inferiority complex makes it so that anything from somewhere else must be better than we have here. It's how all the big Toronto sports operate. But I think in the US, it's actually more of an advantage to MLR is that it's set up how they're used to seeing sports - one league with city based clubs in conferences across the country. The only "new" thing they have to learn is the actual game 8 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: The direct comparison is the Wolfpack v the Arrows and its stark how much bigger the Wolfpack are despite League barely existing in Canada or the US. A HUGE (I think the biggest) is that TWP was first to market. Thousands of people turned up because it was the only pro rugby available. If the Arrows had been first they would have reaped a lot of that benefit. Probably not as much, they just don't have the same budget that TWP (did) have, and Toronto loves big budget sports. And the novelty of playing in a UK league was certainly a draw. We may never know, but I doubt TWP would have been such a success if we already had a union team up and running when they were first pitched. 8 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: As they in 1895 realised, we're the entertaining game designed to get people to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReaper Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Come to think of it, I bet the fact that Ngawati played professionally for TWP is exactly he reason he was able to get a visa to sign for a US team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omott91 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, SL17 said: TWP are fighting a battle that has been in place since the conception of Super League. There is no fault with expansion, never has. The issue remains with SL. The games development was put on hold in order to watch the game unfold. Now they want to dictate to a sport they have ruined. Well done SL.. Ruined in what way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newguy Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Tommygilf said: Toronto had better crowds for 1 club playing against the likes of Rochdale, Batley and Gloucestershire All Golds, than half of Major League Rugby (Union) combined. There is real potential for RL to be the "professional code" in America with crowds etc whilst union remains a largely college pursuit. Toronto also ran out of money and didn't pay players etc, most of the MRL clubs are going concerns unlike Toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whippet13 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 7 hours ago, wiganermike said: I think this is more or less the prevailing opinion amongst a majority of those making the decision particularly following the half-hearted submission made last week by LiVolsi. Some obviously could yet be persuaded that he is committed for the long term given the second chance they gave him to present to them but if he wasn't committed enough to submit a proper proposal and business plan last week then it doesn't seem likely that he will be able to allay those concerns. This is why I expect the application to return will be turned down as I don't think he will be able to convince a majority that he is serious and committed. If that's the case why didn't they simply say "###### off, you're clearly a charlatan"? Answer is that SL still want to know what's in it for them. It's a business transaction and we'll know who blinks first in another 3 weeks. How will it go? Haven't got a clue, but if it's no to TWP then I expect a money grab and an 11 team SL in 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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