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43 minutes ago, Copa said:

When I last visited England we were traveling from the north to the south and I saw a street sign for Wigan. I asked my partner (she’s English) if we could take a detour so I could see the town.

She was like “ Why would anyone want to visit there?” and drove straight past the turn-off .

And you’re still together? 

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10 hours ago, The Rocket said:

I think that success will be their number one priority and with that profile, if you can start getting Dads and Mums to the games with the kids you will be much more likely to be getting them taking the kids down on registration day .Thats what I did with my son , I didn`t ask him, just signed him up and away he went. It will a huge bonus for them to being able to have derby`s with  Wolfpack and maybe even New York. I`ve heard that Wolfpack make it a really good day out as well , thats a great incentive for people to go.

Bingo! Everyone loves a winner, kids like to be associated with success, one reason why the Raptors are so loved. Not sure about any New York derby coming anytime soon, I’m still sceptical that NY will even get off the ground.

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On 02/07/2020 at 14:56, TheReaper said:

Why, is there a plethora of other RL news that this is getting in the way of?

No, but some consider it boring that everytime somebody at the Wolfpack goes to the toilet so to speak it has to be highlighted.

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37 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

No, but some consider it boring that everytime somebody at the Wolfpack goes to the toilet so to speak it has to be highlighted.

Is this good old fashioned English potty humour ?

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I could use the adage "There is no such thing as bad news" when it comes to talk about the wolfpack, but as long as everything is positive i don't care how many stories are posted about them. It keeps them in the news

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11 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

I could use the adage "There is no such thing as bad news" when it comes to talk about the wolfpack, but as long as everything is positive i don't care how many stories are posted about them. It keeps them in the news

As Oscar Wilde famously said "there`s only one thing worse than being talked about  and that`s NOT being talked about"

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On 02/07/2020 at 13:45, The Rocket said:

I don`t think this Argyle character is going to satisfied until he has the Super League trophy, Challenge Cup trophy and  probably just as importantly  if not more so a World Club Challenge trophy in the Wolfpacks clubhouse.This guy wants to build a Rugby League powerhouse that can match it and beat teams like we saw on t.v. tonight. You Pommies should embrace  it and develop your clubs to make it as much a challenge for him as possible  , nothing but good  can come out of it .

I don't think anyone on this forum has ever discussed this properly before. Will be good to get what people think about it in response to your comment Rocket

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18 minutes ago, The Rocket said:

As Oscar Wilde famously said "there`s only one thing worse than being talked about  and that`s NOT being talked about"

For a Rugby Club there is something worse than not being talked about.... Going out of existence.... 

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27 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

I don't think anyone on this forum has ever discussed this properly before. Will be good to get what people think about it in response to your comment Rocket

As I said I expect David Argyle will want to build a champion team  to compete with the best  , but the man isn`t stupid  ,at some point he will know if he is going to have a team that he can market in North America (I include Canada here as well of course) he is going to have to have North Americans in the team and ideally have North American opposition. One potential issue I see could be salary cap issues , money isn`t an issue for these  sporting team owners over there (he`s spending 10 000 000 dollars on Sonny Bill for goodness sake ,expect some sort of  "Last Dance " style documentary on SBW in the next few years. ) , this is my only concern , mega Nth American  clubs stealing all our players , but in the meantime , bring it on, Rugby League is the sort of confrontational sport that players rise to the occasion of these events and we all know what a spectacle RL can be when two great teams are going full bore at each other.

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4 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

No, but some consider it boring that everytime somebody at the Wolfpack goes to the toilet so to speak it has to be highlighted.

There's a thread about boot colours, too, people just be bored 🤣 I personally think it's just jealousy. Everyone is free to post up if their club does something noteworthy. 

2 hours ago, The Rocket said:

As I said I expect David Argyle will want to build a champion team  to compete with the best  , but the man isn`t stupid  ,at some point he will know if he is going to have a team that he can market in North America (I include Canada here as well of course) he is going to have to have North Americans in the team and ideally have North American opposition. 

North American opposition, yes. But it's been proven by pretty much every non-hockey big-league sport here that nobody cares where the players come from. Raptors have none, Jays have one technically but he's essentially Dominican,  TFC is required to have 3 and they rarely go above the minimum. The most Canadian team* in Toronto is the Argos and they're there least well supported.

*of the relatively major sports. The actual most Canadian is the Rock, followed by the Arrows.

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2 hours ago, TheReaper said:

North American opposition, yes. But it's been proven by pretty much every non-hockey big-league sport here that nobody cares where the players come from

And therein we have the answer why TWP are not intrested in the sport actually expanding with local participation, why go to all that trouble of growing your own just let others get on with it, what a totally selfish insular attitude.

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2 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

And therein we have the answer why TWP are not intrested in the sport actually expanding with local participation, why go to all that trouble of growing your own just let others get on with it, what a totally selfish insular attitude.

Insular? By welcoming players from all over the world to our cities and teams? Good one.

Look, every player for Leigh or Wigan or anywhere else, isn't from that town either. So what's the difference? 

 

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On 02/07/2020 at 09:56, TheReaper said:

Why, is there a plethora of other RL news that this is getting in the way of?

Hello.  I was not ignoring your post here.  Just giving the natural evolution of events some time to evolve.  The recent few postings are exactly why I wanted this thread turfed into the by now ginormous Toronto Wolfpack one I spoke of.  EVERY SINGLE TWP thread eventually spirals downwards into.....why don't TWP start an academy and develop from the ground up?...and/or....the TWP business model is not the way we do things in RL don't you know....and/or....all TWP do is sign-up ageing SL/NRL players looking for a final pay packet.....and/or...TWP and their principle backer (there are more than David Argyle BTW), have soooooo much money they are able to out-bid other teams for players - not fair....etc...etc....etc.  I just get sooooooo tired of reading the same old stuff time after time from the same posters.   

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Fair enough,  you are absolutely spot on!

 

I've typed out responses to all of those things enough times, I really should organize them into a library for easy reference...

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30 minutes ago, TheReaper said:

Fair enough,  you are absolutely spot on!

 

I've typed out responses to all of those things enough times, I really should organize them into a library for easy reference...

Organize them under the following heading...each letter stands for something.  As per the Wolfpack I think the word you should be using is 'WINNER".

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15 hours ago, TheReaper said:

Insular? By welcoming players from all over the world to our cities and teams? Good one.

Look, every player for Leigh or Wigan or anywhere else, isn't from that town either. So what's the difference? 

 

Insular as in narrow minded and only caring about one's self.

No but hell of a lot of lads have played and presently play the game in those towns, some have and some will go on to play for professional and semi-professional clubs, others will enjoy many years playing at tge community level.

The pool of player's in the professional ranks is shallow enough to begin with and it is drying up year on year, if expansion really means expansion then it would include taking the game to the people in those territories that are new to the sport or at least show some willing attitude to expand the game. 

You are not the first Canadian to inform us that your sporting culture is akin to a cuckoo's who is quite happy for others to do all the spade work for you and build whatever the game maybe whilst you smuggly sit back and say "we don't care we will take anybody from anywhere" just so long as we don't have to get involved ourselves, great attitude.

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15 hours ago, Cameron Highlander said:

I just get sooooooo tired of reading the same old stuff time after time from the same posters.

I see, I suppose from your diatribe that is directed at those who dare to have a different opinion of the North American Venture other than the drum banging, flag waving everything will be fine attitude of those sitting firmly in North American corner.

We have different opinions Cameron, you are most welcome to yours I will not be dissuaded from mine until I see something other than just "Taking the circus to town" into Canada, and you know what,  those circuses who don't put down roots just travel on through, just saying.

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I think there are a couple of ways to look at this yes he’s clearly a very rich guy and may be able to throw enough money at the Wolfpack to win it and let’s be honest that’s what most chairman in SL do to win it. But what happens then does he get board and walk away and if so what happens to the Wolfpack will they have gained enough of a foothold on people’s imagination to keep going or will it all fall like a house of cards? Guess only time will tell.

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Anyway back to the thread after the usual diversion and derailment attempts. This is a great initiative and again is something very innovative which will hopefully generate a lot of benefits. If clubs can learn anything from Toronto it is how to think outside the box and pursue alternative commercial opportunities and partners.

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On 05/07/2020 at 18:13, Harry Stottle said:

The pool of player's in the professional ranks is shallow enough to begin with and it is drying up year on year, if expansion really means expansion then it would include taking the game to the people in those territories that are new to the sport or at least show some willing attitude to expand the game. 

 

Look there are some very interesting comparisons with Melbourne here . Melbourne have been very successful on the field and off with regards to finances and fan participation , however having spent $20miilion  have made very slow progress with developing the game locally , this may happen if they persist, it may one of those things  where they turn a corner. However it has been very slow progress. Given that they are one of the highest rating teams in the NRL does that mean that they have been a drag on the the rest of the game.

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47 minutes ago, The Rocket said:

Look there are some very interesting comparisons with Melbourne here . Melbourne have been very successful on the field and off with regards to finances and fan participation , however having spent $20miilion  have made very slow progress with developing the game locally , this may happen if they persist, it may one of those things  where they turn a corner. However it has been very slow progress. Given that they are one of the highest rating teams in the NRL does that mean that they have been a drag on the the rest of the game.

Would you regard Canberra as a Rugby League centre?

A long way from Melbourne yes being some 400 miles away but it is accessible by road or rail, and a little googling of the Local Canberra Leagues tells me there are 9 clubs in the Canberra Raiders Cup comp,10 clubs in the George Tooke Shield comp, and 15 clubs in the Canberra Junior Rugby League, and I should think but although I am guessing it is played in the schools.

Conversely Toronto from the nearest Rugby League centre (UK) is only really accessible by air and is approx 3,500 miles away, it has no infrastructure or grass roots rugby league, it is not played in the schools and whats more to the point, the area/district is not doing anything whatsoever to sow those seeds which will lead to a mere germination not even contemplating a harvest to crop, unlike Melbourne which has 17 junior clubs and has already produced through their ranks NRL player's.

Rod you have joined the many ranks of those on these pages who makes those very interesting comparisons with Melbourne and Toronto, but the truth is they are a million miles apart in development and 'expanding' the sport, and moreso the natives of Toronto shout loud and clear "In our sports we don't care where players come from, we simply apart from Hockey don't produce any" and are proud of it.

I have said all along, The British RL can sustain one club, but when we are talking about multiple clubs originating we cannot digest that, something will have to give. 

We already employ 90ish overseas's player's in the British Leagues, the equation with more areas who will not produce players does not add up.

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14 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Would you regard Canberra as a Rugby League centre?

A long way from Melbourne yes being some 400 miles away but it is accessible by road or rail, and a little googling of the Local Canberra Leagues tells me there are 9 clubs in the Canberra Raiders Cup comp,10 clubs in the George Tooke Shield comp, and 15 clubs in the Canberra Junior Rugby League, and I should think but although I am guessing it is played in the schools.

Conversely Toronto from the nearest Rugby League centre (UK) is only really accessible by air and is approx 3,500 miles away, it has no infrastructure or grass roots rugby league, it is not played in the schools and whats more to the point, the area/district is not doing anything whatsoever to sow those seeds which will lead to a mere germination not even contemplating a harvest to crop, unlike Melbourne which has 17 junior clubs and has already produced through their ranks NRL player's.

Rod you have joined the many ranks of those on these pages who makes those very interesting comparisons with Melbourne and Toronto, but the truth is they are a million miles apart in development and 'expanding' the sport, and moreso the natives of Toronto shout loud and clear "In our sports we don't care where players come from, we simply apart from Hockey don't produce any" and are proud of it.

I have said all along, The British RL can sustain one club, but when we are talking about multiple clubs originating we cannot digest that, something will have to give. 

We already employ 90ish overseas's player's in the British Leagues, the equation with more areas who will not produce players does not add up.

Harry, I respect your position on Toronto i really do (i dont necessarily agree with it etc but i respect it). However, any chance we can knock it on the head and discuss the original post as otherwise this will just become another thread, just like all the others, which will have no end because both parties are entrenched in "what ifs" and the actually proof is coming many years down the track. But still the thread will make 40 pages of backwards and forwards bickering. 

There was no need for this to descend to that again, i dont know, or care, who the first person to post the "they dont produce any youngsters" etc was but it really is dull when the thread topic is about something different but positive about Toronto. 

Its a great initiative and hopefully something will come of it and it can develop. Lets worry about the rest of the Toronto bits when they are the main reason for the thread. I think we all know everyone's position by now to be honest (on both sides). 

Equally if people are finding threads boring, stop reading them. You dont need to comment either. i read plenty of threads that i think "oh thats interesting but i have nothing to add" so dont... or "god not this again" and i just come away. 

Its a positive news story, there is plenty to be negative about lets not just turn a positive into yet another tedious slanging match bases purely on personal opinion of what might or might not happen or what may or may not be planned (pre or post a world pandemic)

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49 minutes ago, RP London said:

Harry, I respect your position on Toronto i really do (i dont necessarily agree with it etc but i respect it). However, any chance we can knock it on the head and discuss the original post as otherwise this will just become another thread, just like all the others, which will have no end because both parties are entrenched in "what ifs" and the actually proof is coming many years down the track. But still the thread will make 40 pages of backwards and forwards bickering. 

There was no need for this to descend to that again, i dont know, or care, who the first person to post the "they dont produce any youngsters" etc was but it really is dull when the thread topic is about something different but positive about Toronto. 

Its a great initiative and hopefully something will come of it and it can develop. Lets worry about the rest of the Toronto bits when they are the main reason for the thread. I think we all know everyone's position by now to be honest (on both sides). 

Equally if people are finding threads boring, stop reading them. You dont need to comment either. i read plenty of threads that i think "oh thats interesting but i have nothing to add" so dont... or "god not this again" and i just come away. 

Its a positive news story, there is plenty to be negative about lets not just turn a positive into yet another tedious slanging match bases purely on personal opinion of what might or might not happen or what may or may not be planned (pre or post a world pandemic)

As David Byrne from that great band Talking Heads once said :  "Stop making sense"

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2 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

I have said all along, The British RL can sustain one club, but when we are talking about multiple clubs originating we cannot digest that, something will have to give. 

 

Good Harry,  got R.P. out of the way, now where were we ?  Ah that`s right....... not quite sure about the meaning of your reference to Canberra , if you were referring to the relatively small size of Canberra`s junior base , they do kind of draw from the whole of southern N.S.W.  As regards to the excerpt from your previous answer that I have quoted above ,  I am a great believer of that scientific maxim that " nature abhors a vacuum "  If there becomes a widespread demand for Rugby League players of various quality and the money is good and the opportunity to play in exotic and not so exotic locations arises and clubs do innovative things like encourage these kids to study and take care of their future after League I believe they will come out of the woodwork ,so to speak. This demand is not going to happen over night. I am trying to positive be R.P.

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