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I am devastated by todays decision.Obviously I think its wrong but I think it shows the narrow minded thinking of most super league clubs.I very much doubt the Wolfpack will ever be back as I don't se

Rugby League as a sport - fans, owners, administrators, the lot - gets what it deserves. There was an opportunity here, an owner who's spent £10m, a growing fanbase and a very attractive market,

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Rugby League as a sport - fans, owners, administrators, the lot - gets what it deserves.

There was an opportunity here, an owner who's spent £10m, a growing fanbase and a very attractive market, for us to exploit. But no, the SL clubs would rather pocket an easy £200,000 and watch the opportunity sail on by. Anything else would have required some hard work and RL always takes the easy way out.

You wanted a parochial sport, fine, that's what you've got. The future in England is abundantly clear; a second rate domestic competition, ignored by the rest of the country, played in front of crowds of old men hankering after yesterday's glory, that produces players for the NRL and union.

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"Just as we had been Cathars, we were treizistes, men apart."

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2 minutes ago, Click said:

I have some sympathy, but as someone else said - They told the RFL/SL or whoever as recently as last week that they would be completing the season. If they knew the problems were this bad it isn't a new development, and they shouldn't have sprung it on the rest of SL with only weeks to go till the season restarts.

As I said earlier we don't know what has happened between then and now. I think the fact that they have ploughed on paying 50% wages for 4 months shows that they were acting in good faith. It would have been much more prudent to make this move in March.

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34 minutes ago, Phil said:

That’s it for me, Rugby League can f*** right off.

A small game run by small minds, in small towns, watched by fans with smaller minds whose vision doesn’t extend beyond the shopping centre built on the decommissioned pit head. 
 

 

Yup. Our small world is getting smaller, the communities we reach within that small world getting older and not being replaced. The entire future of the game here really now rests on next year’s World Cup.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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10 minutes ago, Scubby said:

This is all very sad, but legally can you force an overseas team to complete the season in the UK? They are not members of SLE and do not receive any TV income.

If the Warriors all decided to go home to NZ is there anything legally the NRL can do etc? How is it different?

Of course not. But equally the SL and/or RFL have no legal requirement to invite them back next year. 

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11 minutes ago, Scubby said:

This is all very sad, but legally can you force an overseas team to complete the season in the UK? They are not members of SLE and do not receive any TV income.

If the Warriors all decided to go home to NZ is there anything legally the NRL can do etc? How is it different?

They are members of SLE. Not members of the RFL though. 

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7 minutes ago, nadera78 said:

Rugby League as a sport - fans, owners, administrators, the lot - gets what it deserves.

There was an opportunity here, an owner who's spent £10m, a growing fanbase and a very attractive market, for us to exploit. But no, the SL clubs would rather pocket an easy £200,000 and watch the opportunity sail on by. Anything else would have required some hard work and RL always takes the easy way out.

You wanted a parochial sport, fine, that's what you've got. The future in England is abundantly clear; a second rate domestic competition, ignored by the rest of the country, played in front of crowds of old men hankering after yesterday's glory, that produces players for the NRL and union.

I always thought Rugby League was different from Union.

This just proves to me it's same different pile in the UK.

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2 minutes ago, nadera78 said:

Rugby League as a sport - fans, owners, administrators, the lot - gets what it deserves.

There was an opportunity here, an owner who's spent £10m, a growing fanbase and a very attractive market, for us to exploit. But no, the SL clubs would rather pocket an easy £200,000 and watch the opportunity sail on by. Anything else would have required some hard work and RL always takes the easy way out.

You wanted a parochial sport, fine, that's what you've got. The future in England is abundantly clear; a second rate domestic competition, ignored by the rest of the country, played in front of crowds of old men hankering after yesterday's glory, that produces players for the NRL and union.

I would suggest £200,000 is not ‘easy’ for any club

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2 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

I would suggest £200,000 is not ‘easy’ for any club

It's TWPs share of the TV revenue that they each pocketed. And they took it very easily indeed.

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39 minutes ago, Man of Kent said:

They may well say that but if they are demoted to League 1/Championship would they bother? And if they want to be in Super League - as Bob Hunter presumes - why d**k the RFL/SL around?

It’s not them who’ve dicked the RFL and SL around. Don’t forget even when they won the Championship GF last year SL hadn’t decided if they were allowed in or not. 

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1 minute ago, Chrispmartha said:

I would suggest £200,000 is not ‘easy’ for any club

It's not money that they budgeted for though. It was new money that would have gone to any other club on promotion, other than Toronto.

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2 minutes ago, nadera78 said:

It's TWPs share of the TV revenue that they each pocketed. And they took it very easily indeed.

Wasn’t that to cover the cost of travel and expenses?

as it happens i think it was short sighted of the clubs to not share the TV money however that doesn’t alter my point about them messing the RFL/SL about with regards to the restart.

it also didn’t seem to bother Toronto when they were dishing out the cash to players did it

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I’ve just emailed TWP to say how disappointed I am not to see them play again this season and that I hope they’ll be back next season. If they have to fold the RFL and SL should be utterly ashamed of themselves. 

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Let’s face it there’s some on here and in the game who still dispute London’s right to exist, what chance a “foreign” club? 

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Well, that ended well!

For a club that many on here fawned over and labelled as the saviours of the sport etc it's all a bit shambolic and embarrassing

Bought their way through semi professional league and then didn't have a clue what to do when it came to playing in the big boys' playground

Another fine example of "expansion" working.

 

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6 minutes ago, nadera78 said:

Rugby League as a sport - fans, owners, administrators, the lot - gets what it deserves.

There was an opportunity here, an owner who's spent £10m, a growing fanbase and a very attractive market, for us to exploit. But no, the SL clubs would rather pocket an easy £200,000 and watch the opportunity sail on by. Anything else would have required some hard work and RL always takes the easy way out.

You wanted a parochial sport, fine, that's what you've got. The future in England is abundantly clear; a second rate domestic competition, ignored by the rest of the country, played in front of crowds of old men hankering after yesterday's glory, that produces players for the NRL and union.

What difference would 200k have made considering the biggest issue was the visas? TW have already said they're underwriting the salaries and ticket refunds, this seems to be about more than just money.

As for the last paragraph, wow...put your toys back in the pram, just because people point out the flaws doesn't necessarily mean they take any pleasure in these things.

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Either Argyle doesn't have anywhere near the kind of money he was made out to have or he is as tight as a camels     a£$e in a sandstorm. He's embarrassed himself and massively let down both his own players and the TWP fanbase. Pretty shameful and / or daft taking on such a project either way. 

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1 minute ago, Phil said:

Let’s face it there’s some on here and in the game who still dispute London’s right to exist, what chance a “foreign” club? 

I would love both a successful London and Toronto side in SL - doesn’t give them a free pass from criticism though

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1 minute ago, meast said:

Well, that ended well!

For a club that many on here fawned over and labelled as the saviours of the sport etc it's all a bit shambolic and embarrassing

Bought their way through semi professional league and then didn't have a clue what to do when it came to playing in the big boys' playground

Another fine example of "expansion" working.

 

You are joking right?

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2 minutes ago, meast said:

Well, that ended well!

For a club that many on here fawned over and labelled as the saviours of the sport etc it's all a bit shambolic and embarrassing

Bought their way through semi professional league and then didn't have a clue what to do when it came to playing in the big boys' playground

Another fine example of "expansion" working.

 

Is your last sentence actually solely Toronto’s fault though?

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Just now, Chrispmartha said:

I would love both a successful London and Toronto side in SL - doesn’t give them a free pass from criticism though

As has been mentioned before and indeed in Phil's post, its not criticism people dispute, its their fundamental right to exist.

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