Hela Wigmen Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, The Future is League said: The precedent has now been set by Elstone with the emphasis on financial proof. Obviously Salford, Castleford and Wakefield are going to struggle with that. Which is exactly what is needed moving forward and a criteria based league, enforced strictly, regardless of whether teams are based in Yorkshire or Yosemite is what is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future is League Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Just now, Hela Wigmen said: Which is exactly what is needed moving forward and a criteria based league, enforced strictly, regardless of whether teams are based in Yorkshire or Yosemite is what is needed. Well the clubs i have mentioned are going to be in very serious trouble aren't they.As between them they haven't got a pot to pee in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxmanc Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said: I can tell you right now sponsorship is booming in certain areas my wifes sports sponsorship company and radio station had a record month in October and already November has started with a bang. TV viewing for sports is well up radio listening is up. The economy is adjusting 20% is dead 80% will come out of this and there are plenty of tech/fintech companies with money to spend. P Agree - I hadn't seen this when I posted the Championship Relaunch topic, a few minutes ago. I believe this is the time to attract sponsors relatively cheaply for projects that have plenty of potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Just now, The Future is League said: Well the clubs i have mentioned are going to be in very serious trouble aren't they.As between them they haven't got a pot to pee in Possibly. Two will not tick the ground box, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, fcl said: Well done to John Davidson and all those who brought in a healthy contradiction. Only in Rugby League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 This thread reflects much of what's wrong in the modern world: Joe Public knocking 'experts', who have access to far more data and information than they have, and their decions because they are opposite to his own view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Rovers chairman Mark Campbell has issued a statement to update supporters following the decision made by Super League clubs regarding Toronto Wolfpack. The current eleven Super League clubs, alongside the RFL, rejected Toronto’s application to return to the competition in a meeting yesterday, after the Canadian side withdrew from the competition in 2020. Speaking after the announcement, Campbell said: “First of all, we are extremely disappointed to see this unfortunate situation happen with the Toronto Wolfpack, we feel it’s a missed opportunity for rugby league and we hope that when the world gets over this pandemic they can rise again stronger. “Everyone at Featherstone thoroughly enjoyed our encounters with Toronto over the previous two years and nobody wants to see this happen to any club. “Unfortunately, this outcome is the product of a self-interested league and a toothless governing body which is powered by the clubs within it, and the sport is currently at risk at being dictated by its elite sides, closing the doors to ambitious clubs at other levels. “Two years ago, when the Super League broke away from the RFL, we as a club, fought tooth and nail for the RFL to keep their power as it was obvious to everyone in the game what would happen once the power was handed to the individual clubs and not the governing body. “The RFL, were at the time, architects in their own demise as they manipulated and bullied clubs to vote in favour of Super League, we expressed our concerns at the time, and these concerns have been proven to be true with this week’s vote. “I find it disturbing that the sport has found itself in a position where the RFL – the sport’s governing body, has the same voting power as just one Super League club, how can the game grow with this unjustifiable system of clubs having the power to determine the other club’s futures and the format of our elite competition. “I sincerely hope that the correct decision is made, the game needs to retain its integrity and ensure a 12-team Super League will start in 2021, if the clubs vote for an 11-team competition this will be another nail in the rugby league coffin, which will result in more and more supporters walking away from the game in a year we should all be looking forward to, especially with the UK hosting the upcoming World Cup. “It seems that a majority of the current 11 Super League sides primary focus lies with safeguarding their own central distribution, and although adding a 12th side to the league would preserve the integrity of the division, it would mean these clubs having to share income with a new side, if this is their priority the game is at a very low point. “If the Super League is to become an 11 team division for 2021, it shows that the RFL holds little influence over the teams currently still in the Super League, who can feel free to act in their own self-interest and refuse a 12th participant to cement their place in the elite competition for another year without the risk of relegation, despite the TV contract for a 12-team competition. “We hope that the Super League sides, alongside the RFL, come up with the correct decision and show some leadership, by ensuring a 12th team competes in the 2021 Super League, whoever that may be. “Promotion to Super League should be decided on the pitch and not in a board room. On that basis, Featherstone Rovers has earnt the right to be the 12th team in the 2021 Super League season.” #UTR | Featherstone Rovers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Just now, Les Tonks Sidestep said: This thread reflects much of what's wrong in the modern world: Joe Public knocking 'experts', who have access to far more data and information than they have, and their decions because they are opposite to his own view. The breakdown of "experts" On one side we have a businessman who set up an expansion club, and now runs the most successful club in Super League both on field and off it, a man who runs one of the most consistently successful super league clubs, and a man who's ran the only successful (in terms of elite silverware) expansion sides in the games history. On the other, we have a club who has no money (Blease, Salford), a man who openly wants to sell because he has no more money (Hudgell, KR), a club with a ###### ground and no money (Cas), a club with a ###### ground, no money and the ambition to be the second biggest sport in the north despite being the only professional team in their city (Carter, Wakefield), a club propped up by a single elderly businessman that gives away season tickets for £100 (Thewlis, Huddersfield), a man whose image of professionalism is sacking a coach on live TV (Hull), a club that loses money hand over fist despite being successful (Wigan) and Simon Moran (who it wouldn't surprise me if he was the one who abstained). Please tell me who is "anti" expert here and why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Manxmanc said: Agree - I hadn't seen this when I posted the Championship Relaunch topic, a few minutes ago. I believe this is the time to attract sponsors relatively cheaply for projects that have plenty of potential. Its the old threats and opportunities scenario. Covid-19 is a huge threat at the moment but to the savvy it provides many opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future is League Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: Possibly. Two will not tick the ground box, for sure. I think all 3 to be honest. The rights and wrongs can be argued for ever, but in my opinion the 3 clubs i have mentioned have effectively put their hands up for relegation to the Championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrispmartha Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Robin Evans said: “Promotion to Super League should be decided on the pitch and not in a board room. On that basis, Featherstone Rovers has earnt the right to be the 12th team in the 2021 Super League season.” #UTR | Featherstone Rovers Eh? How have they learnt the right to be in next seasons Super League, he's a much full of self interest as those he derides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Why’s that Campbell at Fev mk 5 minutes ago, Robin Evans said: Rovers chairman Mark Campbell has issued a statement to update supporters following the decision made by Super League clubs regarding Toronto Wolfpack. The current eleven Super League clubs, alongside the RFL, rejected Toronto’s application to return to the competition in a meeting yesterday, after the Canadian side withdrew from the competition in 2020. Speaking after the announcement, Campbell said: “First of all, we are extremely disappointed to see this unfortunate situation happen with the Toronto Wolfpack, we feel it’s a missed opportunity for rugby league and we hope that when the world gets over this pandemic they can rise again stronger. “Everyone at Featherstone thoroughly enjoyed our encounters with Toronto over the previous two years and nobody wants to see this happen to any club. “Unfortunately, this outcome is the product of a self-interested league and a toothless governing body which is powered by the clubs within it, and the sport is currently at risk at being dictated by its elite sides, closing the doors to ambitious clubs at other levels. “Two years ago, when the Super League broke away from the RFL, we as a club, fought tooth and nail for the RFL to keep their power as it was obvious to everyone in the game what would happen once the power was handed to the individual clubs and not the governing body. “The RFL, were at the time, architects in their own demise as they manipulated and bullied clubs to vote in favour of Super League, we expressed our concerns at the time, and these concerns have been proven to be true with this week’s vote. “I find it disturbing that the sport has found itself in a position where the RFL – the sport’s governing body, has the same voting power as just one Super League club, how can the game grow with this unjustifiable system of clubs having the power to determine the other club’s futures and the format of our elite competition. “I sincerely hope that the correct decision is made, the game needs to retain its integrity and ensure a 12-team Super League will start in 2021, if the clubs vote for an 11-team competition this will be another nail in the rugby league coffin, which will result in more and more supporters walking away from the game in a year we should all be looking forward to, especially with the UK hosting the upcoming World Cup. “It seems that a majority of the current 11 Super League sides primary focus lies with safeguarding their own central distribution, and although adding a 12th side to the league would preserve the integrity of the division, it would mean these clubs having to share income with a new side, if this is their priority the game is at a very low point. “If the Super League is to become an 11 team division for 2021, it shows that the RFL holds little influence over the teams currently still in the Super League, who can feel free to act in their own self-interest and refuse a 12th participant to cement their place in the elite competition for another year without the risk of relegation, despite the TV contract for a 12-team competition. “We hope that the Super League sides, alongside the RFL, come up with the correct decision and show some leadership, by ensuring a 12th team competes in the 2021 Super League, whoever that may be. “Promotion to Super League should be decided on the pitch and not in a board room. On that basis, Featherstone Rovers has earnt the right to be the 12th team in the 2021 Super League season.” #UTR | Featherstone Rovers Good statement from Gary H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, Robin Evans said: Rovers chairman Mark Campbell has issued a statement to update supporters following the decision made by Super League clubs regarding Toronto Wolfpack. The current eleven Super League clubs, alongside the RFL, rejected Toronto’s application to return to the competition in a meeting yesterday, after the Canadian side withdrew from the competition in 2020. Speaking after the announcement, Campbell said: “First of all, we are extremely disappointed to see this unfortunate situation happen with the Toronto Wolfpack, we feel it’s a missed opportunity for rugby league and we hope that when the world gets over this pandemic they can rise again stronger. “Everyone at Featherstone thoroughly enjoyed our encounters with Toronto over the previous two years and nobody wants to see this happen to any club. “Unfortunately, this outcome is the product of a self-interested league and a toothless governing body which is powered by the clubs within it, and the sport is currently at risk at being dictated by its elite sides, closing the doors to ambitious clubs at other levels. “Two years ago, when the Super League broke away from the RFL, we as a club, fought tooth and nail for the RFL to keep their power as it was obvious to everyone in the game what would happen once the power was handed to the individual clubs and not the governing body. “The RFL, were at the time, architects in their own demise as they manipulated and bullied clubs to vote in favour of Super League, we expressed our concerns at the time, and these concerns have been proven to be true with this week’s vote. “I find it disturbing that the sport has found itself in a position where the RFL – the sport’s governing body, has the same voting power as just one Super League club, how can the game grow with this unjustifiable system of clubs having the power to determine the other club’s futures and the format of our elite competition. “I sincerely hope that the correct decision is made, the game needs to retain its integrity and ensure a 12-team Super League will start in 2021, if the clubs vote for an 11-team competition this will be another nail in the rugby league coffin, which will result in more and more supporters walking away from the game in a year we should all be looking forward to, especially with the UK hosting the upcoming World Cup. “It seems that a majority of the current 11 Super League sides primary focus lies with safeguarding their own central distribution, and although adding a 12th side to the league would preserve the integrity of the division, it would mean these clubs having to share income with a new side, if this is their priority the game is at a very low point. “If the Super League is to become an 11 team division for 2021, it shows that the RFL holds little influence over the teams currently still in the Super League, who can feel free to act in their own self-interest and refuse a 12th participant to cement their place in the elite competition for another year without the risk of relegation, despite the TV contract for a 12-team competition. “We hope that the Super League sides, alongside the RFL, come up with the correct decision and show some leadership, by ensuring a 12th team competes in the 2021 Super League, whoever that may be. “Promotion to Super League should be decided on the pitch and not in a board room. On that basis, Featherstone Rovers has earnt the right to be the 12th team in the 2021 Super League season.” #UTR | Featherstone Rovers Fev with an elite mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: Why’s that Campbell at Fev mk Good statement from Gary H. You obviously don't know mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Robin Evans said: Snip I'm not going to quote this due to it being such a long statement but its pretty hard to argue with that or that viewpoint. I'll be honest I don't see how Fev replacing Toronto is a positive for the game as a whole going forward. I even have reservations if it is even right for Fev as a club and would put their growth and success as a club to being at a sustainable level in the Championship, allowing them to do that rather than spending all their money trying to cling on in SL. However under the system we currently have it is only right that they get that chance and there is no way that SL should just be 11 clubs next season. I would prefer Toulouse for the game to grow but Fev deserve the place based on losing to Toronto in the play off final. If anyone else is admitted then it is licensing and picking and choosing. In that case why stop there and not look at current SL club incumbents too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Robin Evans said: You obviously don't know mark. I don’t think Mark knows Mark based off that. I think he could rival Degsy for the wildest chairman outside of Super League having read his absolute stinking desperation to get into Toronto’s grave before they’ve gone cold, twice now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Hela Wigmen said: I don’t think Mark knows Mark based off that. I think he could rival Degsy for the wildest chairman outside of Super League having read his absolute stinking desperation to get into Toronto’s grave before they’ve gone cold, twice now. Mark is a businessman. He is a very determined character and makes things happen. True, he'll never win the angel of the year award. No room for sentiment where business is concerned. Sentiments is for soft sheeites like me...... And trust me..... he could leave delbert trailing in his shadows..... he's not even close when it comes to being ....shall we say.... forthright...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjonn Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: This thread reflects much of what's wrong in the modern world: Joe Public knocking 'experts', who have access to far more data and information than they have, and their decions because they are opposite to his own view. Lets not forget the... conspiracy aspects that many will always "throw up" with regard to decisions... or lack of transparency... as another from the anti tool-bag to support whatever decision that is not agreed with... oh and the lies/untruths... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bromleybulldog Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Well, that's the end of expansion of the game. Who in their right mind is going to try and bring a new club from outside the M62 into the game now? And if we're not expanding at best we're standing still, more likely we're contracting and losing clubs. A local game for local people. Is it any surprise that things look grim? We seem to have a sport run by people very lacking in vision or imagination. People who believe that a title sponsor who doesn't offer money but instead offers adverts on the side of a truck is the right way to go. Or is it free tuna pizzas instead of hard cash? We have sponsors with such aspirational products as mushy peas, bingo, and betting. Our champion team are sponsored by a pawn broker. Of course the Toronto bid may have had shortcomings - I'm obviously not party to any discussions - but the whole scenario reeks of self interest, short sighted shorttermism by the clubs that rejected them, the clubs that benefit from an increased share out of the central funds. The whole way Toronto have been treated set them up to fail. No offer of a share of the Sky money, no flexibility on salary cap - do we really expect the cost of living to be the same in a large N American city as it is in a small north of England town?- and total lack of understanding when Covid struck that they could not access furlough payments apart from having zero possibility of match income and no central broadcast revenues.The RL were given a £16m government loan to tide the sport over this difficult period. Toronto were unable to access this. Is it any surprise they had to pull out of the 2020 season? Regrettably I can see no other scenario other than slow decline and fall for our sport. We just don't have the vision to see beyond our own back yard. Sad, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binosh Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Well having read the information in the public domain from people who were present at the presentation Toronto/Livolsi should be embarrassed of themselves. In any walk of life you turn up ill prepared making demands you have no right to you'll be sent packing & rightly so. From salary cap to payroll management Toronto have been amateur, maybe with a professional backer who can actually run a business they will be more successful in their attempt to expand the game into NA. Lets hope Ottawa learn from this and do much better job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Absolute Banter that KR have now unilaterally withdrawn from Super League with a month till the end of the season. I await their reapplication submission! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tommygilf Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 32 minutes ago, binosh said: Lets hope Ottawa learn from this and do much better job. I wholeheartedly hope so, but the Super League have themselves stated they see no benefit (zero) in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirteenthman Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 12 hours ago, briggyq said: The cynic in me says Hetherington only sided with the Wolfpack because of his dislike for Elstone. But im in a cynical mood tonight Funnily enough, I was listening to the Six to Go podcast with John Davidson (recorded the day before the TWP decision was made) and he alluded to something similar. He also said there may be something similar going on with the Saints chairman who may be less than impressed with Mr Elstone as well, despite being one of the movers that brought him back to the sport. One of the things that also stood out was John Davidson's disdain for the standard of RL journalism in this country. He was the only journalist to flag up the financial issues surrounding TWP, despite it apparently being well known within the game. He also made the very good point about the lack of objective scrutiny of the governance of RL in general by RL journalists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, thirteenthman said: Funnily enough, I was listening to the Six to Go podcast with John Davidson (recorded the day before the TWP decision was made) and he alluded to something similar. He also said there may be something similar going on with the Saints chairman who may be less than impressed with Mr Elstone as well, despite being one of the movers that brought him back to the sport. One of the things that also stood out was John Davidson's disdain for the standard of RL journalism in this country. He was the only journalist to flag up the financial issues surrounding TWP, despite it apparently being well known within the game. He also made the very good point about the lack of objective scrutiny of the governance of RL in general by RL journalists. He’s been utterly brilliant throughout the “Toronto Years”, not just cheerleading for them but actually offering a different perspective and telling a different story, which is what journalism is all about. Davidson is the best journalist we have over here by some distance. Since learning of Leeds’ approval, I did wonder if McManus’ vote went the same way for a similar reason. Both Hetherington and McManus aren’t particularly reserved, so we’ll watch this space but if it’s what Davidson has heard, it’s likely to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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