JohnM Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 I'm on a cadiac rehabilitation programme. I have permanent AF and associated congestive heart failure symptoms. Not allowed weights. Still, you seem happy to suggest actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjonn Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, JohnM said: I'm on a cadiac rehabilitation programme. No weights. Still, you seem happy to suggest actions. so is my missus... she choose not to go to the hospital gym for her cadiac rehabilitation last week. She is following the home exercise plan but in a more circumvent way.. for want of better words. No idea if that was right or wrong decision but seemed sensible to me given the pressures that will mount. At the end of the day we also have to make decisions for ourselves too. If it was a private gym she would have taken the same decision. She has a visiting rhythmic heart specialist nurse to discuss things with,,, although I would assume the nurse may well be needed elsewhere as the pressure builds. Never-the-less I have been impressed over the couple of years with the support and specialist availability from across the NHS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 I think some people will still be saying "it's all a hoax" or "it's blown out of proportion" until someone very close to them ends up in intensive care or dies. Nothing else will get through their skulls. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjonn Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 48 minutes ago, JohnM said: I'm in the category of those who are vulnerable to severe illness or death if I catch the virus. What basic things should I be doing? Must admit it is a dilemma for myself and missus as we are in similar boat. The kids are all badgering us to isolate ourselves, not go out , etc... We went out yesterday for lunch being circumvent about proximity as much as possible... for what "me missus" said may be our last outing.. actually she said "last supper" out but then realised the full context of that comment...(we did chuckle although we realise seriousness of it all). Anyway the kids have all been on the phone or calling around to tell us off and insist we stay in the house. Now when you say well how long as this could last months and months and even when we get through the peak we can still catch it so our we talking 1/2 a year, a year... how do you think we could cope with that.... they went silent then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, redjonn said: so is my missus... she choose not to go to the hospital gym for her cadiac rehabilitation last week. She is following the home exercise plan but in a more circumvent way.. for want of better words. No idea if that was right or wrong decision but seemed sensible to me given the pressures that will mount. At the end of the day we also have to make decisions for ourselves too. If it was a private gym she would have taken the same decision. She has a visiting rhythmic heart specialist nurse to discuss things with,,, although I would assume the nurse may well be needed elsewhere as the pressure builds. Never-the-less I have been impressed over the couple of years with the support and specialist availability from across the NHS. You may find in the next week all those will be moved to video/telephone sessions unless there's specific tests that need to be done in person. Even the cutting of the commutes between places is freeing up a lot of time to deal with more patients. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getdownmonkeyman Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 One thing I would love to get a view on is those of the older generation, where helping each other out has no been replaced by the 'I'm alright Jack' types. I thought the spivs were meant to be the minority? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjonn Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, ckn said: You may find in the next week all those will be moved to video/telephone sessions unless there's specific tests that need to be done in person. Even the cutting of the commutes between places is freeing up a lot of time to deal with more patients. Understandable regards video/telephone although I would also expect even that would be cut down too. funny enough we have been learning to use video calls last day or so with the children... using Skype or facetime on the ipads... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjonn Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, getdownmonkeyman said: One thing I would love to get a view on is those of the older generation, where helping each other out has no been replaced by the 'I'm alright Jack' types. I thought the spivs were meant to be the minority? mmmm always difficult to assess but we always think a lot of people seem very self centred nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, ckn said: I think some people will still be saying "it's all a hoax" or "it's blown out of proportion" until someone very close to them ends up in intensive care or dies. Nothing else will get through their skulls. Yep. I'm sick of reading people online telling people to stop being fannies. The problem is, this isn't just the virus and getting ill for themselves that people are worrying about. It is their families, their neighbours and friends, it is not being able to get supplies. It is the thought of isolation. It is the idea of not getting wages, or their business going bust. It is losing money on holidays. It is not being able to see their elderly family. This is already impacting our lives, and it will get far worse before it gets better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Roughyed Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 hour ago, The Hallucinating Goose said: What's happening in the benidorm video? Can't get it to play on my tablet. It’s basically a van with a loudspeaker telling people in Spanish and English that there is a lockdown and to remain indoors. With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 18 minutes ago, ckn said: I think some people will still be saying "it's all a hoax" or "it's blown out of proportion" until someone very close to them ends up in intensive care or dies. Nothing else will get through their skulls. I know people aged 70 plus who think like that. They are about to get a big dose of reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 My mother in law is 69 and is in a vulnerable group. Already in her town in England there have been a few cases in local schools. She’s now worried it’s most likely that there are now children running around town who have it but have zero symptoms. She’s very stressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, Copa said: I know people aged 70 plus who think like that. They are about to get a big dose of reality. the mere fact that everyone over 70 is classed as the same is insulting and ignorant to say the least see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 hour ago, johnmatrix said: You should do what you need to. Quite a bit of basic advice on the web. Have a Google at it Hmmm. You do realise that is part of the problem. Panic Googling has resulted in huge shortages of network capacity so we are now being limited to 2 searches per hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said: the mere fact that everyone over 70 is classed as the same is insulting and ignorant to say the least Oh dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article206555143/Corona-USA-will-Zugriff-auf-deutsche-Impfstoff-Firma.html?wtmc=socialmedia.twitter.shared.web Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim2 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Been to Aldi this morning. It was a bit hectic and the toliet rolls were disappearing fairly smartish but it wasn't too bad and essentials were in good supply. They were limiting customers to a maximum of 4 of any item. "I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, tim2 said: Been to Aldi this morning. It was a bit hectic and the toliet rolls were disappearing fairly smartish but it wasn't too bad and essentials were in good supply. They were limiting customers to a maximum of 4 of any item. Down to one item purchase limit of certain products here in Australia now. Mince is also now a restricted item in some shops. All pasta, long life milk, tissues and toilet paper gone from my local supermarket today. I actually haven’t seen toilet paper in any shop anywhere for a week. I’m just too slow to get it when it appears, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, Copa said: toilet paper gone from my local supermarket today. I actually haven’t seen toilet paper in any shop anywhere for a week. I’m just too slow to get it when it appears, don't worry dock leaves will be sprouting soon see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim2 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said: don't worry dock leaves will be sprouting soon Not sure they have them in Aus. Or if they do, they'll likely be poisonous. "I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 5 hours ago, Maximus Decimus said: Much is being made this morning of the success of South Korea in slowing the spread down to less than 100 cases a day. Now I really don't understand a lot of all this but when they reopen everything are cases not just going to rise again? Then what is the solution, to close everything again? Surely, if they repeat the process like this they'll be left with years of disruption. This is why I think Governments are using a severe flu pandemic playbook, but in that case we would expect the vaccine to arrive in a few months. I wonder about the overall effects of lock down for another year. "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjonn Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 what annoys me as much as anything is the news.. well some reporters. we have the UK Government and expert advisory over last day or two making statements that we are not using herd immunity as part of the plan. Although we expect it to flow through the population such that herd immunity may be a factor. That is it may well happen given numbers of people that will get the virus but its not a deliberate plan but a by-product. Yet I read a BBC reporter saying we have different and opposing approaches... UK using herd immunity and xyz country not but restricting movement. The plans here include restricting movement, all-be-it timing is considered critical and hence why its coming, maybe sooner than later... that is its part of the plan that we will have similar lock downs and restrictions. To repeat timing being a factor... but the same restrictions are part of the plan and may well be introduced...... That is quite similar to other country plans but which some countries have already introduced. Yet we have the reporter miss reporting, not being specific with his wording... no wonder we have anxiety and doubts spreading across population. On the other hand Sky interesting discussion with a Prof Peter Openshaw (Imperial college expert in disease - not sure exactly what).... he also commented it was too early to say if China reductions would remain once they lessen closures and lock downs)... hence hard to use as definitive proof, etc Anyway I often hear news reporters or on-site correspondents giving inaccurate or not full and precise communication... this on many issues and of course even more important on this.. anyway rant over... but wish the news editors would insist that reporters give accurate and precise info, rather than try and create argumentative interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M j M Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, redjonn said: what annoys me as much as anything is the news.. well some reporters. we have the UK Government and expert advisory over last day or two making statements that we are not using herd immunity as part of the plan. Although we expect it to flow through the population such that herd immunity may be a factor. That is it may well happen given numbers of people that will get the virus but its not a deliberate plan but a by-product. Yet I read a BBC reporter saying we have different and opposing approaches... UK using herd immunity and xyz country not but restricting movement. The plans here include restricting movement, all-be-it timing is considered critical and hence why its coming, maybe sooner than later... that is its part of the plan that we will have similar lock downs and restrictions. To repeat timing being a factor... but the same restrictions are part of the plan and may well be introduced...... That is quite similar to other country plans but which some countries have already introduced. Yet we have the reporter miss reporting, not being specific with his wording... no wonder we have anxiety and doubts spreading across population. On the other hand Sky interesting discussion with a Prof Peter Openshaw (Imperial college expert in disease - not sure exactly what).... he also commented it was too early to say if China reductions would remain once they lessen closures and lock downs)... hence hard to use as definitive proof, etc Anyway I often hear news reporters or on-site correspondents giving inaccurate or not full and precise communication... this on many issues and of course even more important on this.. anyway rant over... but wish the news editors would insist that reporters give accurate and precise info, rather than try and create argumentative interest. You're blaming the media for reporting leaks that come from the top of British government - that's where the herd immunity stuff came from. Don't shoot the messenger, it was put out there and now they're trying to get control of the narrative after it came across so badly. They can't or won't or wouldn't be straight with the public and would have been better off saying nothing rather than some trying to get messages across via their preferred medium of the leak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 26 minutes ago, M j M said: You're blaming the media for reporting leaks that come from the top of British government - that's where the herd immunity stuff came from. Don't shoot the messenger, it was put out there and now they're trying to get control of the narrative after it came across so badly. They can't or won't or wouldn't be straight with the public and would have been better off saying nothing rather than some trying to get messages across via their preferred medium of the leak. Is that a fact? The sensationalism from the media is beyond belief, even allowing for the ignorance and stupidity that is their watchword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjonn Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 42 minutes ago, M j M said: You're blaming the media for reporting leaks that come from the top of British government - that's where the herd immunity stuff came from. Don't shoot the messenger, it was put out there and now they're trying to get control of the narrative after it came across so badly. They can't or won't or wouldn't be straight with the public and would have been better off saying nothing rather than some trying to get messages across via their preferred medium of the leak. the only time I heard it on the news was in response to a question .. when asked Patrick Vallance said it would require 60% of the population to have had the virus but it was not part of the government plans but a by-product. He and Whitty plus their panel of experts are the ones shaping the strategy.... Leaks are always part of the game with reporters and you never know how accurate or precise anything is being reported... but when the leak or miss-information or miss reporting is quashed it remains... I don't think any reporter ever says he miss-reported. I have no idea except what I heard and listened too by Patrick Vallance.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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