gingerjon Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 11 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: Not sure if it's the same all over, but a couple of folk I know have commented that the beer is £1 a pint dearer in their locals (2 different pubs in different villages) than when they shut in March! Did they also notice that there are fewer customers, a whole bunch of PPE has been paid for, and that we're still in the middle of a pandemic and they should get over themselves? Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 2 hours ago, gingerjon said: Did they also notice that there are fewer customers, a whole bunch of PPE has been paid for, and that we're still in the middle of a pandemic and they should get over themselves? Dunno, they were passing comment, not complaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 At least we know how to treat/cure this one.... Authorities in China have stepped up precautions after a city in the Inner Mongolia autonomous region confirmed one case of bubonic plague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 So Scottish pubs are allowed to open up the outside areas today. Have booked in somewhere to meet a friend at 12.30 today, will be interesting to see how it goes. May only end up having a couple in our 2 hour slot as it seems most other places are booked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSoutherner Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 19 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: Not sure if it's the same all over, but a couple of folk I know have commented that the beer is £1 a pint dearer in their locals (2 different pubs in different villages) than when they shut in March! Report back from Son who worked in a spoons Sat/Sun Sat - he did opening until 7pm glass collecting - steady trade had just reached reduced capacity of 168 as he finished - apparently was ok until other local pubs shut at 10pm and everyone tried to get a last pint in - then security had a few arguments - manager reported Sunday that they had "just about broken even on the day" Sunday steady trade all day with a lot of food sold so they did make money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSoutherner Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 news just in on local press page New government figures show the coronavirus R rate in the south east could be as high as 1. The rate in the south east now stands at between 0.7 and 1.0, which is a slight rise compared to last week's 0.7 to 0.9 The R rate measures how many people with coronavirus are infected by a single case of Covid-19. The figures were released on Friday, June 3, hours before pubs and restaurants were reopened, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjonn Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 round us nearly all the pubs and restaurants seem to be carrying out covid-secure in practice. Their was one exception maybe, but the regulars have been complaining on twitter that the staff didn't take extra precautions like the rest, e.g. visors, etc. Although most drinkers were outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjonn Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 26 minutes ago, SSoutherner said: news just in on local press page New government figures show the coronavirus R rate in the south east could be as high as 1. The rate in the south east now stands at between 0.7 and 1.0, which is a slight rise compared to last week's 0.7 to 0.9 The R rate measures how many people with coronavirus are infected by a single case of Covid-19. The figures were released on Friday, June 3, hours before pubs and restaurants were reopened, Its inevitable that infection rate would go up... as more and more relaxed, seems to have happened in every country and logic would suggest bound to happen. Although the experts have always said that as infection rate drops the R factor is not so significant. We had all this with Germany and media headline when they relaxed restrictions... Although on the officially reported R rate they always say likely to be in between the two values,,, so 0.7 to 1, likely to be 0.8 or 0.9.... rather than worse case 1.0 So we shouldn't be surprised, we have to hope tract and trace works well enough. and yep we will have other waves of infection, especially in winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen-Y-Bont Crusader Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 My nephew has said hes seen a spike in cases over the last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSoutherner Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 3 hours ago, redjonn said: Its inevitable that infection rate would go up... as more and more relaxed, seems to have happened in every country and logic would suggest bound to happen. Although the experts have always said that as infection rate drops the R factor is not so significant. We had all this with Germany and media headline when they relaxed restrictions... Although on the officially reported R rate they always say likely to be in between the two values,,, so 0.7 to 1, likely to be 0.8 or 0.9.... rather than worse case 1.0 So we shouldn't be surprised, we have to hope tract and trace works well enough. and yep we will have other waves of infection, especially in winter. yes let's hope But a rise to c.8 BEFORE the opening of pubs is not good - and a rise above 1 means infections are growing again, so it could all ramp up again - i don't mind it sitting at .95 or if overall new infections are low enough even .99 but not 1 or anything over 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 7 hours ago, SSoutherner said: news just in on local press page New government figures show the coronavirus R rate in the south east could be as high as 1. The rate in the south east now stands at between 0.7 and 1.0, which is a slight rise compared to last week's 0.7 to 0.9 The R rate measures how many people with coronavirus are infected by a single case of Covid-19. The figures were released on Friday, June 3, hours before pubs and restaurants were reopened, R rate tends to be meaningless when there are low infection numbers as a spike in a factory or hospital can raise the R rate somewhat. Look at Germany when it was first doing battle with the big outbreak at the meat processing plant. Their R rate went up to about 3 I think but it was just a reflection of the big outbreak at the meat processing plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 6 hours ago, Pen-Y-Bont Crusader said: My nephew has said hes seen a spike in cases over the last week. Whereas where I live we haven't had a reported case of Covid for about two weeks, and no deaths anywhere from it either. It seems to be all very localised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSoutherner Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Saintslass said: Whereas where I live we haven't had a reported case of Covid for about two weeks, and no deaths anywhere from it either. It seems to be all very localised. And that is the worry - a sudden spike in cases in an area with an R over 1 and slow feedback on the rise in cases (as in if it takes a week to get into the public domain) could easily see even just a small reservoir of positive people people a large number and with more movement around the country it could spread fast. Yesterday was the first day since lockdown when e have had less deaths than that day (and Mondays are usually low reported death days) so we are only just about where we were then - easy for it to spiral again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wholly Trinity Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Saintslass said: R rate tends to be meaningless when there are low infection numbers as a spike in a factory or hospital can raise the R rate somewhat. Look at Germany when it was first doing battle with the big outbreak at the meat processing plant. Their R rate went up to about 3 I think but it was just a reflection of the big outbreak at the meat processing plant. I still think we're borderline on this. Germany got down to about c200 cases a day and then spiked back up to c500 in just a few days and that's with extensive testing. The UK has only just got down to c500 a day, so a similar spike would lead to c1250 a day. The question is, could our track and trace / local lockdown system control numbers like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 7 hours ago, Wholly Trinity said: I still think we're borderline on this. Germany got down to about c200 cases a day and then spiked back up to c500 in just a few days and that's with extensive testing. The UK has only just got down to c500 a day, so a similar spike would lead to c1250 a day. The question is, could our track and trace / local lockdown system control numbers like this? It has done so far. It controlled an outbreak at a hospital in Weston, it controlled the outbreaks in food processing factories on Anglesey and in Kirklees. It identified the problem in Leicester and while the attempts to control didn't work, it enabled the lockdown which should do so if it is properly followed. Now, three pubs have closed because punters have reported that they have tested positive. The pubs have been contacting people on their lists to advise them to self isolate. One thing we need to do IMO is make the wearing of face coverings mandatory in all public enclosed spaces. I don't know why we aren't doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future is League Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Well that hasn't taken long has it https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/first-english-pubs-close-coronavirus-22311408 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Drove over to Manchester and back yesterday for a funeral. Mid day, M18/M180 services. Very quiet, one way system. Entrance patrolled. Hand sanitiser everywhere. Inside, most shops closed, no one in WH Smith. All mags and newspapers has been removed. No one wearing masks, but everyone keeping a. 2 metre separation. Hartshead Moor services quiet too, though we did not go inside. Motorway round Manchester much quieter than I can remember. At the crematorium, max 30 people allowed, only 30 chairs put out in room normally for around 100 people. 2 metres apart and between rows. Undertaker only allowed 10 people in - OK since there were only 9 of us No mixing (four households were there). No one wore masks. Outside, everyone kept well apart. Ceremonies separated by at least an hour, presumably to prevent cross infection risk. Returning early evening, Radcliffe/Prestwich wery quiet. Many pubs looked closed. Short queues outside several barbers. All in all, looked like people were being careful and compliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 It’s kicking off again in Victoria, Australia. New South Wales is even closing the border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Copa said: It’s kicking off again in Victoria, Australia. New South Wales is even closing the border. In Spain too. Two areas now locked down to one degree or another. I wonder if the travel advice will change? We didn't include Portugal on our quarantine free arrangement due to the outbreak in Lisbon. We should now really change the advice for Spain given they have had two outbreaks occur just over the last few days. Sweden apparently is also tightening their arrangements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Copa said: It’s kicking off again in Victoria, Australia. New South Wales is even closing the border. Saw that. There seems to be quite a lot of concern specifically about Melbourne. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Nice day out at some pubs yesterday, met a friend and spent the day in the sun. Only outdoors open yesterday, 3 quite different experiences. Pub 1 - military operation, bookings only, 2hr slot, toilet attendant directing you where to go, table service with an app only. Really nice relaxed experience. Pub 2 - little cafe bar, no signs of anything different, tables slightly further apart, had a drink, had a pee washed our hands and left. The hope is that the staff were being extra vigilant. Pub 3 - Brewdog, had 5 tables outside, they were serving takeaway beer so you could then sit in the square on the walls and they would let you into the toilet. This worked brilliantly, staff had masks, everything marked out, signs all over the toilets etc but left you to your own devices. Had a really good day, be interesting to see what it's like at the weekend, and tbh I'm not in a rush to sit inside, but was all very pleasant and well organised. Aerial photo of pub 1, The Pear Tree, Edinburgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 A read for anyone still thinking along the lines of 'I'm only likely to get a mild dose' https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/think-a-mild-case-of-covid-19-doesn-t-sound-so-bad-think-again/ar-BB16nnzL?ocid=msedgntp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Saw that. There seems to be quite a lot of concern specifically about Melbourne. Just today people flying in to Canberra (ACT) from Melbourne were told upon arrival that they had to have 2 weeks of quarantine. 6 weeks of lockdown in Victoria now and a few huge tower blocks with 1000s of people have been completely sealed with the government bringing food and medicine. Meanwhile here in the Australian Capital Territory our restrictions will hopefully be easing again on 10 July. From 10 July 2020: Return to full-contact competition for all sports Food courts (dine-in) Saunas and bathhouses Steam-based beauty services Strip clubs, brothels, escort agencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Just now, Copa said: Saunas and bathhouses Steam-based beauty services Strip clubs, brothels, escort agencies. My opinion of Canberra has just shifted slightly ... Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, gingerjon said: My opinion of Canberra has just shifted slightly ... Canberrans have a more relaxed view about many things. In our main industrial estate there can be furniture stores right next to a brothel, a pet shop just near a porn and sex toy supermarket etc. A few years back sex shops would even advertise on the main radio stations during prime time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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