Saintslass Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Bedford Roughyed said: This will have to be a proper lockdown to be effective because people travel to neighbouring towns routinely. So it would need to be a Leicester plus arrangement: properly back to full lockdown days. The Aberdeen outbreak keeps getting bigger too. I bet Oldham and Aberdeen are major contributors to pushing our daily numbers above 1,000 again today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 9 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: BBC Live: New Zealand has detected its first locally-transmitted coronavirus cases in more than 100 days. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said four people tested positive from the same household. The source of the infections is not yet known. Auckland will go into a "level 3" lockdown for a few days while the cases are investigated, she said. It wouldn't surprise me if contrary to the claims of being Covid free for however long, there were a number of asymptomatic people wandering around who eventually made contact with a family who started showing symptoms. I can't see any country ever being able to assert, as the PM of NZ did, that they are Covid free given its ability to transmit asymptomatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 16 hours ago, Saintslass said: It wouldn't surprise me if contrary to the claims of being Covid free for however long, there were a number of asymptomatic people wandering around who eventually made contact with a family who started showing symptoms. I can't see any country ever being able to assert, as the PM of NZ did, that they are Covid free given its ability to transmit asymptomatically. Whilst that's not impossible, I reckon it's very unlikely that it's been spreading in such a way for over 3 months. More likely it's come in from outside the country through imported goods or contact at an airport or port with someone from outside the country. Edit - just seen on the news that the possibility of it coming in on frozen food is being seriously considered by the NZ authorities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: Edit - just seen on the news that the possibility of it coming in on frozen food is being seriously considered by the NZ authorities This was the suggestion put forward on Radio 4 this morning. They'd narrowed it down to pretty much the location via their track n trace set up as well. I make no further comment at this stage. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 UK (England) death toll cut by 5000 as those who die of another cause after more than 28 days of testing positive no longer included in the figures. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53722711 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 6 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: Whilst that's not impossible, I reckon it's very unlikely that it's been spreading in such a way for over 3 months. More likely it's come in from outside the country through imported goods or contact at an airport or port with someone from outside the country. Edit - just seen on the news that the possibility of it coming in on frozen food is being seriously considered by the NZ authorities The transmission by frozen food was first purported in China when they had a mini outbreak at another market recently. Salmon in that case. So they banned all European salmon imports. I guess the NZ family must have been pretty unlucky to touch the very bit of frozen food that was infected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: UK (England) death toll cut by 5000 as those who die of another cause after more than 28 days of testing positive no longer included in the figures. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53722711 Good. The numbers were looking plain stupid of late. Take today: six died in English hospitals and I think one died in Wales yet somehow we end up with 77 dying throughout the UK even though our excess deaths have been below the five year average now for seven weeks. What PHE was thinking I don't know, allowing anyone who died of anything at all to be included in the Covid death figures simply because they were once found to have tested positive. Even elderly folk can get mild symptoms from which they fully recover. At least now the whole of the UK is operating to the same criteria and we should be able to have a bit more confidence in the figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 5 hours ago, gingerjon said: This was the suggestion put forward on Radio 4 this morning. They'd narrowed it down to pretty much the location via their track n trace set up as well. I make no further comment at this stage. Just imagine what they could have done by now if they'd got a t 'n' t system as good as ours...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Quite so. Pity they couldn't send it to us so we could try it out on 66 million people in close proximity to another 400 million rather than in an isolated island of 4.8 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 This from the BBC. "Things might not be as bad as they seem. This is a point made by Prof Carl Heneghan, who heads the centre for evidence-based medicine at Oxford University. He says it is essential to adjust for tests being done and is concerned about what he calls "poor interpretation" of data. Covid cases, he says, simply aren't rising in any meaningful sense." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53656852 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Worldwide (recorded) Covid deaths pass the 750k mark - at current rate we'll reach 1m in around 6 weeks time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 How many in the UK today and how many new cases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said: How many in the UK today and how many new cases? I believe there's a technical problem today preventing the website being updated with testing data (saw something from PHE earlier) but not sure why the numbers can't simply be briefed - hope the natural cynic in me isn't correct. Worldometers reporting 18 deaths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSoutherner Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 hour ago, GeordieSaint said: How many in the UK today and how many new cases? loads in Northampton at the [place doing M&S sandwiches, also a bunch at some food distro centres in Swindon - nasty new trait for it to be at chilled distro centres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Been 3 outbreaks at bed making factories in Wakefield in the last 6 weeks or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, SSoutherner said: loads in Northampton at the [place doing M&S sandwiches, also a bunch at some food distro centres in Swindon - nasty new trait for it to be at chilled distro centres There have been quite a few outbreaks at food processing plants, which are just up the chain from the distribution centres. A cool/chilled environment and probably air-con circulating the atmosphere more than most places. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Roughyed Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSoutherner Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 37 minutes ago, Bedford Roughyed said: only issue i have with those rules is given the way Covid seems to spread well in cooled damp environments with air con, are ice rinks a safe thing to open ? I think is a sector i would be really carefully monitoring "just in case" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Willow Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 13 hours ago, SSoutherner said: only issue i have with those rules is given the way Covid seems to spread well in cooled damp environments with air con, are ice rinks a safe thing to open ? I think is a sector i would be really carefully monitoring "just in case" Depends on the type of air conditioning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 21 hours ago, GeordieSaint said: How many in the UK today and how many new cases? Technical problems sorted......1441 new cases today (highest since the beginning of June) and 11 deaths Yesterday (13/8) 1129 new cases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: Technical problems sorted......1441 new cases today (highest since the beginning of June) and 11 deaths Yesterday (13/8) 1129 new cases Not surprising at the moment. One outbreak alone (the one at the sandwich place) is over 300. Then greater Manchester isn't getting to grips with their numbers. I think the government should begin closing places in greater Manchester. Clearly they aren't making the effort. Liverpool has contained its mini outbreak in a week. There is no rise in hospital admissions here (as yet). They continue to drop. Unlike in Spain and France. Spain is rebuilding a field hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 18 hours ago, SSoutherner said: only issue i have with those rules is given the way Covid seems to spread well in cooled damp environments with air con, are ice rinks a safe thing to open ? I think is a sector i would be really carefully monitoring "just in case" I would imagine there will be limited numbers of people allowed in at one time and since people are generally moving around a lot then the chances of them being in close contact for at least 15 minutes is probably quite low. Whenever I've gone ice skating the only thing I've been in close contact with for any length of time is the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 It seems that in the case of Greencore ( and thus also maybe in other food prep cases?) that the high proportion of employees car sharing, the high proportion of workers in HMOs and the high level of out of work socialising have been the main cause of transmission. Director of health points to 'carsharing, housesharing and socialising out of work' for Covid-19 outbreak at Northampton factory Northamptonshire's Director of Health Lucy Wightman said she found Greencore "wasn't to blame" for the outbreak of nearly 300 cases https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/health/director-health-points-carsharing-housesharing-and-socialising-out-work-covid-19-outbreak-northampton-factory-2943109 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, JohnM said: It seems that in the case of Greencore ( and thus also maybe in other food prep cases?) that the high proportion of employees car sharing, the high proportion of workers in HMOs and the high level of out of work socialising have been the main cause of transmission. Director of health points to 'carsharing, housesharing and socialising out of work' for Covid-19 outbreak at Northampton factory Northamptonshire's Director of Health Lucy Wightman said she found Greencore "wasn't to blame" for the outbreak of nearly 300 cases https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/health/director-health-points-carsharing-housesharing-and-socialising-out-work-covid-19-outbreak-northampton-factory-2943109 In other words, people taking no notice of the fact that there is a pandemic happening. What a bunch of idiots. Well maybe now they'll be more cautious. Or maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 I notice that Germany has now declared the whole of Spain plus Mallorca and Ibiza as off limits. In other words, it's done in stages what we did in one go a couple of weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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