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3 minutes ago, Wolford6 said:

Not presented in laymans terms. Seems like 10,000 flu deaths in the flu season Sept 2019 to April 2020.

i took this as the main point of all of it - basically normal Flu is vanishingly small compared to Covid-19

• USISS Severe Respiratory Failure Centre (SRF) confirmed influenza admissions, UK No new admissions for laboratory confirmed influenza were reported in week 13 2020 among the six reporting Severe Respiratory Failure centres in the UK. Since week 40 2019 a total of 37 confirmed influenza admissions (13 influenza A(H1N1)pdm09, 7 influenza A(H3N2), 14 influenza A(unknown subtype) and 3 influenza B) were reported among ECMO centres.

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Its very sad to read articles like this and its hard not to think our frontline staff have been badly let down:

Coronavirus: Anger over lack of PPE for nurse Gareth Roberts

A nurse who died after contracting coronavirus "paid the ultimate price" due to a lack of personal protective equipment, a friend has claimed.

Gareth Roberts, 65, worked as a nurse across the Cardiff and Vale health board area for over 40 years.

The husband, father and grandfather died in hospital in Merthyr Tydfil in the early hours of Saturday morning.

His friend said he had little to no protection against the virus. The health board has been asked to comment.

"He didn't have PPE. In the beginning he said he didn't have anything," his childhood friend Janette Leonard said.

"He had a paper mask, plastic gloves and a pinny, that's alright if you are making sandwiches but not when you are going to nurse people with the disease."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52272369

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On 13/04/2020 at 06:39, Robin Evans said:

It may not be a palatable concept.... BUT, if your brother was doing 30mph or less he wouldn't have got collared.

The research is there with regards to the consequences of speeding and the rise in death rates from collisions as speed increases.

That is fair enough however.... 

If he had to wait 3 days to be interviewed around an assault then this suggests manpower / resources are scarce for the police 

If resources / manpower are scarce then there is a need to prioritise 

For me an unprovoked assault is something that can (and in fact did) have long reaching physical and mental consequences. At this time you need the police to be immediate in their time and concern.... It reassures people 

Therefore I suggest until a more rapid response to high impact violence crime can be effected then we should prioritise those at the expense of tackling 'minor' traffic issues

I agree there needs to be traffic police but it should be reserved for tackling serious traffic issues like drink driving / reckless driving / excessive speeding (more than say 20% above the limit) 

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13 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

That is fair enough however.... 

If he had to wait 3 days to be interviewed around an assault then this suggests manpower / resources are scarce for the police 

If resources / manpower are scarce then there is a need to prioritise 

For me an unprovoked assault is something that can (and in fact did) have long reaching physical and mental consequences. At this time you need the police to be immediate in their time and concern.... It reassures people 

Therefore I suggest until a more rapid response to high impact violence crime can be effected then we should prioritise those at the expense of tackling 'minor' traffic issues

I agree there needs to be traffic police but it should be reserved for tackling serious traffic issues like drink driving / reckless driving / excessive speeding (more than say 20% above the limit) 

Speed kills. Speed kills many many people. It is a priority.

Topic Derailment... start another thread on this. I'll happily contribute.

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9 minutes ago, fevtom said:

"The UK's ONS has reported 16,387 deaths in England and Wales in the week ending 3 April 2020 - the highest weekly count since records began" - New Scientist

And this is what a journalist on Twitter has done with the data, to make that point:

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43 minutes ago, Robin Evans said:

Speed kills. Speed kills many many people. It is a priority.

Topic Derailment... start another thread on this. I'll happily contribute.

Tell that to the boy racers around where I live who think the current lack of traffic on the roads is a green light to race around our streets at crazy speeds. It used to be the Golf GTI mob, now it's Audi S-3's that are their weapon of choice.

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1 hour ago, Wolford6 said:

Not presented in laymans terms. Seems like 10,000 flu deaths in the flu season Sept 2019 to April 2020.

But do 10,000 flu deaths equal the same in resource terms to 10,000 Covid? By that I mean the need for isolation wards, ventilation, staff, PPE.

Add on those who survive, but now have lasting lung damage.

I think comparing them could lead to false equivalence.

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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2 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Tell that to the boy racers around where I live who think the current lack of traffic on the roads is a green light to race around our streets at crazy speeds. It used to be the Golf GTI mob, now it's Audi S-3's that are their weapon of choice.

I did see a newsitem the other day saying as trffic levels have dropped Mr Plod has been giving out more speeding tickets as people make use of empty roads. As a biker i can recognise the speed of the late night riders going passed on the motorway within hearing distance of my house

 

Best excuse though was Surrey plod apparently pulled someone on the m25 doing 135mph who tried to say they were driving that fast to reduce chance of catching coronavrus

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1 minute ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

But do 10,000 flu deaths equal the same in resource terms to 10,000 Covid? By that I mean the need for isolation wards, ventilation, staff, PPE.

Add on those who survive, but now have lasting lung damage.

I think comparing them could lead to false equivalence.

A large number of vulnerable, health workers and others, have a flu jab each year which provides immunity.

 

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3 minutes ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

But do 10,000 flu deaths equal the same in resource terms to 10,000 Covid? By that I mean the need for isolation wards, ventilation, staff, PPE.

Add on those who survive, but now have lasting lung damage.

I think comparing them could lead to false equivalence.

all the info i can find says an average of 17k influenza deaths per year in the UK ranging from 1700 in 18/19 to 28k in 14/15 - so we are close on that annual average in a month as well as all the extra long term effects of this one on the lungs

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7 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

And this is what a journalist on Twitter has done with the data, to make that point:

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These stats are really interesting because they'll also take into account an increase in deaths due to cardiac or cancer surgery being cancelled as well as presumably a decrease in deaths from traffic accidents and bar fights etc. Obviously there's always a bit of natural fluctuation but surely no one can think this is no different to the flu now.

I would be interested in seeing a comparison with a particularly bad flu season such as 2009 but I'm not sure if the ONS website has that information.

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Singapore update.

100+ cases a day is now not astonishing. 300 odd last 2 days. Mega clusters in the dorms that house the foreign labourers etc

As of tomorrow, youre not allowed out without a mask. 300 dollar fine and the possibility of my visa being revoked! Woof!

They keep ramping up the guidelines, makes me wonder why not implement them all straight off the bat.

This is not ending any time soon. Anywhere.

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18 minutes ago, Padge said:

A large number of vulnerable, health workers and others, have a flu jab each year which provides immunity.

 

It's also been a VERY mild winter with a far milder flu spike than normal. Add to that the recent social distancing and home isolating, the flu has just not had the environment to spread as it usually does.

There'll be a multi-year knock-on effect if people genuinely do keep up the handwashing and better hygiene on these stats.

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What a great story:

A 99-year-old army veteran who has raised more than £1.4m to help the NHS in the fight against Covid-19 has vowed to keep going even though he has smashed his original £1,000 target.

Tom Moore aimed to complete 100 laps of his Bedfordshire garden by Thursday, walking with the aid of a frame.

However he has now said he will not stop and hopes to do another 100.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52278746

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29 minutes ago, fevtom said:

These stats are really interesting because they'll also take into account an increase in deaths due to cardiac or cancer surgery being cancelled as well as presumably a decrease in deaths from traffic accidents and bar fights etc.

That's sort of what I was thinking as well. There's a whole background of things that probably more-or-less equalise out in terms of 'this goes up', 'this goes down' ... and then there's a massive red spike.

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Spain records 300 deaths, which in this new situation in which we find ourselves, is a good number.

We now have historical data for the past few Tuesdays which may confirm a trend and is the day of the first death there, 6 weeks ago:

Tues 14 Apr : 300

Tues 7 Apr: 700

Tues 31 Mar: 748

Tues 24 Mar: 680

Tues 17 Mar: 191

Tues 10 Mar: 6

Tues 3 Mar: 1

 

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Tim2,

  Sorry to burst your bubble. Here in Spain there was an increase of 3045 new cases, the lowest daily cases there have been since the lockdown. However there was 567 deaths not 300 as you have stated.As for relaxing the lockdown,the only thing that has been relaxed is that construction workers on major sites are allowed back to work.Plus companies who provide the materials. No small builders or any house improvements. The rest of the lockdown stays the same and it is looking extremely like the next date for it to be looked at is 11th May.

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1 hour ago, tim2 said:

Spain records 300 deaths, which in this new situation in which we find ourselves, is a good number.

We now have historical data for the past few Tuesdays which may confirm a trend and is the day of the first death there, 6 weeks ago:

Tues 14 Apr : 300

Tues 7 Apr: 700

Tues 31 Mar: 748

Tues 24 Mar: 680

Tues 17 Mar: 191

Tues 10 Mar: 6

Tues 3 Mar: 1

 

Are we two weeks behind that, or there or there about? That being the case, we could be at our own peak right now.

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1 minute ago, fairfolly said:

Tim2,

  Sorry to burst your bubble. Here in Spain there was an increase of 3045 new cases, the lowest daily cases there have been since the lockdown. However there was 567 deaths not 300 as you have stated.As for relaxing the lockdown,the only thing that has been relaxed is that construction workers on major sites are allowed back to work.Plus companies who provide the materials. No small builders or any house improvements. The rest of the lockdown stays the same and it is looking extremely like the next date for it to be looked at is 11th May.

Have many ex-pats been affected? I know there are a large number who have retired to Spain who would obviously be in the vulnerable bracket.

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8 minutes ago, fairfolly said:

Tim2,

  Sorry to burst your bubble. Here in Spain there was an increase of 3045 new cases, the lowest daily cases there have been since the lockdown. However there was 567 deaths not 300 as you have stated.As for relaxing the lockdown,the only thing that has been relaxed is that construction workers on major sites are allowed back to work.Plus companies who provide the materials. No small builders or any house improvements. The rest of the lockdown stays the same and it is looking extremely like the next date for it to be looked at is 11th May.

It's really interesting to me that, over here, Spain's easing is being presented as a full coming out of lockdown, and also there is, because it's not being explained at all, an implicit assumption that Spain and the UK's current lockdown statuses are similar.

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13 minutes ago, fairfolly said:

Tim2,

  Sorry to burst your bubble. Here in Spain there was an increase of 3045 new cases, the lowest daily cases there have been since the lockdown. However there was 567 deaths not 300 as you have stated.As for relaxing the lockdown,the only thing that has been relaxed is that construction workers on major sites are allowed back to work.Plus companies who provide the materials. No small builders or any house improvements. The rest of the lockdown stays the same and it is looking extremely like the next date for it to be looked at is 11th May.

I got my numbers from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/ which gets theirs from what looks like a government website.

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1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

It's really interesting to me that, over here, Spain's easing is being presented as a full coming out of lockdown, and also there is, because it's not being explained at all, an implicit assumption that Spain and the UK's current lockdown statuses are similar.

It was made perfectly clear on BBC news that Isaw what the relaxations were in Spain and Italy, there was absolutely nothing said that even implied they were coming off lockdown only that some small shops in Italy were being allowed to open and that some construction work was being allowed in Spain along with some manufacturing.

 

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14 minutes ago, Northern Eel said:

Are we two weeks behind that, or there or there about? That being the case, we could be at our own peak right now.

Our curve is different to Spain's. I think we are a few days from any drop. 

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