Les Tonks Sidestep 3,328 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 46 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: I think there's going to be different geographic scenarios too. London and the wider London commuting area is different to the rest of the UK - both in terms of scale and density of commuters. How the phased restart comes about is going to be another thing with differences in opinion and no real clear answer. Its extremely reliant upon public adherence to guidance and rules as Sweden and the USA have contrastingly shown. The point about flattening the curve is essential, its about making sure the hospital admissions are manageable. Not sure Sweden's a great example. 2.5 times as many deaths as the combined total of the other Scandinavian countries and 3x deaths per capita than the next most affected. But hey, as that country's health advisor said, many were the old and vulnerable in care homes. Link to post Share on other sites
Tommygilf 7,251 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 29 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: Not sure Sweden's a great example. 2.5 times as many deaths as the combined total of the other Scandinavian countries and 3x deaths per capita than the next most affected. But hey, as that country's health advisor said, many were the old and vulnerable in care homes. Sweden is an example of a country that has implemented social distancing and has generally followed the rules. Flattening the curve for them was possible that way. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Futtocks 15,613 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) There's an echo in here... Anyhoo, how would the other national papers respond, apart from the Mirror and Guardian? Edited April 25, 2020 by Futtocks "Men will be proud to say 'I am a European'. We hope to see a day when men of every country will think as much of being a European as of being from their native land." (Winston Churchill) Link to post Share on other sites
graveyard johnny 2,295 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 whatever the outcome the human race can not afford to abuse nature and the planet much longer before it wipes itself out 1 they come swinging round that corner, they think they're benny goodman Link to post Share on other sites
DoubleD 5,977 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/04/24/government-tells-uk-businesses-time-get-back-work/amp/ Further evidence of the narrative changing. June recommencement is looking increasingly likely 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Bedford Roughyed 8,067 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 A bit political? With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to post Share on other sites
Bedford Roughyed 8,067 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to post Share on other sites
GeordieSaint 6,338 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 20k+ deaths in just 51 days... Link to post Share on other sites
JohnM 7,424 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 32 minutes ago, Bedford Roughyed said: A bit political? Not at all. This section is for factual material. The political section is for fake news. 2 Four legs good - two legs bad Link to post Share on other sites
ckn 15,655 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 39 minutes ago, Bedford Roughyed said: A bit political? 10 minutes ago, JohnM said: Not at all. This section is for factual material. The political section is for fake news. Posts you’re referring to have been moved. It’s getting tiring now. 1 "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to post Share on other sites
gingerjon 15,663 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 39 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said: 20k+ deaths in just 51 days... 20,000+ hospital deaths. This isn't even the cumulative total with care home and community deaths included. 1 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to post Share on other sites
ckn 15,655 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, gingerjon said: 20,000+ hospital deaths. This isn't even the cumulative total with care home and community deaths included. Adding 50% is still the conservative option to cover out of hospital deaths. Unsubstantiated but credible views that it’s higher than that. 2 1 "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to post Share on other sites
fevtom 566 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 In a couple of weeks the ONS figures that include all covid deaths will be higher than hospital deaths even though obviously they’ll still be a couple of weeks behind. I wonder if more media sources will start using that number rather than the hospital figures. Link to post Share on other sites
Ullman 1,963 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 5 hours ago, gingerjon said: I have to say this is why I found myself reading (and paying for) the FT and Economist. Most of it is not opinion and that which is is clearly marked. It helps but isn’t essential that on many - but definitely not all - issues we have similar beliefs even if they are more trusting of business than I will ever be. (For similar reasons, in normal times, I listen to the World Servic news in preference to anything else). I’ve pretty much given up on the sites that are filled with opinion-havers-for-coin. A mate of mine who was an unreconstructed Marxist used to buy The Economist every month. He reckoned it was the best source of objective information on British capitalism you could get your hands on. 2 Old Faithful we never lose at Wembley Link to post Share on other sites
Northern Eel 1,655 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 Concerns over increased traffic on the roads expressed today, something picked up by a few of us earlier in the week. Link to post Share on other sites
gingerjon 15,663 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, Northern Eel said: Concerns over increased traffic on the roads expressed today, something picked up by a few of us earlier in the week. What does the data say? Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to post Share on other sites
Les Tonks Sidestep 3,328 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, gingerjon said: What does the data say? That it's slowly trending upwards. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Man of Kent 7,491 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 4 hours ago, DoubleD said: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/04/24/government-tells-uk-businesses-time-get-back-work/amp/ Further evidence of the narrative changing. June recommencement is looking increasingly likely It’s clear the government wants sport to continue - albeit behind closed doors at first - and there’s nothing the scared crusties can do about it 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Bob8 6,872 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Ullman said: A mate of mine who was an unreconstructed Marxist used to buy The Economist every month. He reckoned it was the best source of objective information on British capitalism you could get your hands on. I remember reading in The Economist on why they favoured democracy and it was wonderfully cold and rational rather than idealistic. 1 "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to post Share on other sites
gazza77 936 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 47 minutes ago, Northern Eel said: Concerns over increased traffic on the roads expressed today, something picked up by a few of us earlier in the week. I've seen about 10 motorbikes through our village today, which is more than on a usual Saturday afternoon. I'd expect at least some are keeping off the main roads to keep below the radar. Obviously I can't comment on where they were all going, or if the journey was essential, however if suspect in the case of the two I saw with pillions(one of which was a child), it's likely a leisure trip. Likewise the the group of four together. It's doubly infuriating for me. Other than the obvious ignoring of guidelines, for me it's rubbing my face in it, given I'm itching to go out on my own bike, but won't until restrictions are lifted. 2 Please view my photos. http://www.hughesphoto.co.uk/ Little Nook Farm - Caravan Club Certificated Location in the heart of the Pennines overlooking Hebden Bridge and the Calder Valley. http://www.facebook.com/LittleNookFarm Little Nook Cottage - 2-bed self-catering cottage in the heart of the Pennines overlooking Hebden Bridge and the Calder Valley. Book now via airbnb Link to post Share on other sites
Dave T 18,174 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 48 minutes ago, gazza77 said: I've seen about 10 motorbikes through our village today, which is more than on a usual Saturday afternoon. I'd expect at least some are keeping off the main roads to keep below the radar. Obviously I can't comment on where they were all going, or if the journey was essential, however if suspect in the case of the two I saw with pillions(one of which was a child), it's likely a leisure trip. Likewise the the group of four together. It's doubly infuriating for me. Other than the obvious ignoring of guidelines, for me it's rubbing my face in it, given I'm itching to go out on my own bike, but won't until restrictions are lifted. Are motorbikes not allowed? Link to post Share on other sites
Northern Eel 1,655 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) Nottinghamshire and then Doncaster to the North are experiencing higher than average increases in positive tests, ICU patients and unfortunately, deaths compared to many other unitary authorities currently. We had a 'slow' start, but it seems to be flat at best, and possible increasing. Edited April 25, 2020 by Northern Eel Link to post Share on other sites
gazza77 936 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dave T said: Are motorbikes not allowed? Only for commuting if you can't work at home, essential shopping, etc, same as cars. I'm assuming mainly unnecessary journeys, at least in the main today (see my logic for that assumption in last post). I'd use mine if I was called in to work at the hospital rather than working at home, but not when it would only be a leisure ride. 1 Please view my photos. http://www.hughesphoto.co.uk/ Little Nook Farm - Caravan Club Certificated Location in the heart of the Pennines overlooking Hebden Bridge and the Calder Valley. http://www.facebook.com/LittleNookFarm Little Nook Cottage - 2-bed self-catering cottage in the heart of the Pennines overlooking Hebden Bridge and the Calder Valley. Book now via airbnb Link to post Share on other sites
SSoutherner 2,261 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Dave T said: Are motorbikes not allowed? As i posted a couple of days ago. A mate who is a bike mot tester and whose only other vehicle (he has 2 bikes) is an old VW camper was stopped by Mr Plod on the way to Tesco on bike wit rucksack and told he could have walked to Aldi or CoOp so go home I used bike to go collect a click and collect (I have a 46l topbox) and having not run for a month it ran like a pig, realised after few mins the choke was stuck open , guessing the unleaded has turned to varnish in the carbs, tapped the choke slide in with a punch and came back the long way around (3 miles not 2) and sorted. Reckon when this lifts mechanics are going to be doing a roaring trade in homestarts and services Link to post Share on other sites
themainbrace 248 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 11 hours ago, Angelic Cynic said: Germany has reported an increase in Covid19 cases,and deaths. May not be a good time to restart the Bundesliga. This,of course,after some of the the great and good,(Guardian journalists) informed us how far ahead the Germans were when it came to Coronavirus. Don't need to be great or good to see that Germany is doing better, you don't even need to read any papers, just look at the figures. Germany 155,782 cases 5,843 deaths UK 148,377 cases 20,319 deaths Link to post Share on other sites
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