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11 minutes ago, shaun mc said:

Apparently, the UK is mirroring Italy's number of those with cv, so are the US, Germany and Spain. Japan is the only outlier. as it hasn't been testing at the same levels.

Germany and France are 9 days behind Italy, Spain 10.5 days, US 11.5 days and UK 13.5 days

How long have Italy had the lockdown in the north, now extended to all Italy?

Italy's lockdown hasn't contained it as they have 9172 cases of cv with 463 fatalities - a 5% fatality rate which is higher than a lot of other projections. The UK can't be far off taking more substantive action?

I predict a greater rise in cases in the US and then Trump will re-classify them as flu so as not to harm his numbers

I saw those graphs yesterday, quite telling really and it makes the government’s “we’ll wait and see” plan look a bit flimsy.

Italy has a far higher proportion of older folk than China, that may be the reason for the increased deaths.

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In China, their plans were brutally enforced by military grade “do as you’re damn well told”. None of this social media imbecility around “flu kills more!”

For us, it may hit harder because of petty Little Englander racism like this:

People like Hodges, who some see as fairly mainstream in views and with 130k followers, dismissing Italian lessons out of hand despite clear evidence that we may be following them on the statistics.

Why not just play a bit more safely, stop massed gatherings now and then if it fizzles out due to good early interventions we may not need to escalate to Italy-like plans. Remember, Italy jumped straight in with whole town isolations, it didn’t work, then whole north isolations, albeit that one didn’t work because of someone leaking it to the media to make themselves look important.

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I can never understood the logic of wait and see and we'll do x, y and z in 5-10 days. We can see what way this is going, what the trends are and what has happened/is happening in Italy. Therefore just do these things now instead of waiting 10 days when things will be far worse.

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2 hours ago, Mark S said:

Unpopular opinion: If you are told to self isolate the government should underwrite your FULL salary. It can come from the Trident budget.

Unpopular opinion, and one for the political sub forum, is it not. 

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The BBC chose to have Nigel Farage on Newsnight to comment/advise on coronavirus

No wonder the BBC is getting the flack it does when the standard of news reporting is the above

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6 minutes ago, Damien said:

I can never understood the logic of wait and see and we'll do x, y and z in 5-10 days. We can see what way this is going, what the trends are and what has happened/is happening in Italy. Therefore just do these things now instead of waiting 10 days when things will be far worse.

The view is that the population are a bit thick, will get bored after 10 minutes of even minor isolation and start ignoring advice as long as they’re fine. I get their point, it’s a proper “ready, aim, fire” plan, where as if we launch now it risks “ready, fire, aim”.

I apparently have more hope in the country than our politicians and think we should be ramping things up now, trusting the country to not be imbeciles.

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15 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Unpopular opinion, and one for the political sub forum, is it not. 

I’ll start a politics thread as some people really want to let rip on it. Let’s try to keep this thread politics free.

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I agree on your post about isolation, but it only takes a few to act as if it does not apply to them for it not to work.

Tough decision to cancel something if you know your insurance won't pay out, but that is people putting themselves before the fate of the elderly (me) with underlying health conditions (me again!) .Next door neighbours on both sides are older than me and in worse health then me, as in fact, are most of the residents of my town.

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28 minutes ago, ckn said:

The view is that the population are a bit thick, will get bored after 10 minutes of even minor isolation and start ignoring advice as long as they’re fine. I get their point, it’s a proper “ready, aim, fire” plan, where as if we launch now it risks “ready, fire, aim”.

I apparently have more hope in the country than our politicians and think we should be ramping things up now, trusting the country to not be imbeciles.

Have you seen the state of the toilet paper shelves in your local supermarket?

The country that had people phoning the police when KFC ran out of chicken and hounded a Paediatrician out of her house?

Good luck with that. 

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5 minutes ago, Shadow said:

Have you seen the state of the toilet paper shelves in your local supermarket?

The country that had people phoning the police when KFC ran out of chicken and hounded a Paediatrician out of her house?

Good luck with that. 

A sad state of affairs that we’d need near martial law to get people to act responsibly. 

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1 hour ago, SSoutherner said:

i would say a better (more populist) policy would be to say all ) hours contract workers should be paid the average number of hours worked over the past 10 weeks from govt funds on proviso they do 0 hours and self isolate. I do worry about people hiding at home ad ordering take out food only for that to be cycled over by Typhoid Mary

A Tory reading that has just passed out!

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59 minutes ago, ckn said:

The view is that the population are a bit thick, will get bored after 10 minutes of even minor isolation and start ignoring advice as long as they’re fine. I get their point, it’s a proper “ready, aim, fire” plan, where as if we launch now it risks “ready, fire, aim”.

I apparently have more hope in the country than our politicians and think we should be ramping things up now, trusting the country to not be imbeciles.

I can sort of see that but I think with some things like home working they can be much firmer instead of all the vague advice and talk of what we may do in a few days. There are literally thousands in my place that could work from home permanently to help stop the spread etc. Most do at 2 days a week anyway. All these organisations who are now saying to work from home because someone has got coronavirus, why not just start now where they can?

Yesterday there were people with colds in work saying it's just a cold, it's just madness when a big employer could easily just extend any current flexible working policies that they have, and would if the government made that call. Until it comes at that level then individual managers are reluctant to. 

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14 minutes ago, Mark S said:

A Tory reading that has just passed out!

Yes and in many ways i would agree if you are on a zero hours contract then you are due nothing 

BUT

the cost to the govt/NHS of the consequences of a deliveroo worker giving it to a bunch of people with their food and also maybe tghe takeway workers who then give it to others is MUCH higher than the cost of paying that rider to sit at home

I am looking at this form an ecconomics not humanitarian viewpoint

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8 minutes ago, Damien said:

I can sort of see that but I think with some things like home working they can be much firmer. Instead of all the vague advice they could be much firmer. There are literally thousands in my place that could work from home permanently to help stop the spread etc. Most do at 2 days a week anyway.

Yesterday there were people with colds in work saying it's just a cold, it's just madness when a big employer could easily just extend any current flexible working policies that they have, and would if the government made that call. Until it comes at that level then individual managers are reluctant to. 

There's nothing so dangerous to office morale than a middle-manager who wants to be seen to be "doing something" but without the competence to understand what that actually means.

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3 minutes ago, SSoutherner said:

Yes and in many ways i would agree if you are on a zero hours contract then you are due nothing 

BUT

the cost to the govt/NHS of the consequences of a deliveroo worker giving it to a bunch of people with their food and also maybe tghe takeway workers who then give it to others is MUCH higher than the cost of paying that rider to sit at home

I am looking at this form an ecconomics not humanitarian viewpoint

Not here please.  Political complications on the politics thread please.

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18 minutes ago, ckn said:

Not here please.  Political complications on the politics thread please.

i was being careful to say mine was an economic argument as to why it is better for the country that nobody risks infecting others when they think they might have it so they ought to be paid to self isolate

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2 minutes ago, SSoutherner said:

i was being careful to say mine was an economic argument as to why it is better for the country that nobody risks infecting others when they think they might have it so they ought to be paid to self isolate

If you stuck it on the politics thread then you may get some strong opinions either way on it!

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Age stats for the town I live in, 2001 census figs so only 19 year out of date!

Age 60 to 74:        32.6% compared with national figure of 13.3%

Age 75 and over:  13.6 % compared with national figure of 7.6%

 

 

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8 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Age stats for the town I live in, 2001 census figs so only 19 year out of date!

Age 60 to 74:        32.6% compared with national figure of 13.3%

Age 75 and over:  13.6 % compared with national figure of 7.6%

 

 

For the most up-to-date information on your area, go here, it's the Public Health England local profiles page. You can drill right down to your GP practice if you need on most data areas. Simply enter your local authority on the front page, then click on "view data", then Population to get your area's age stats.

You could spend hours on that site and still not run out of things to do. It's real power is in comparison with area, region and national stats. We mainly use it to highlight outlier population areas for targeting specific things.

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2 hours ago, Private Baldrick said:

Has anyone tried eggs chopped up in a cup? It's a cure all ya know.

That takes me back. No matter what the ailment, my gran and my mam would always fall back on eggs chopped in a cup, a knob of butter in it and a slice of bread and butterwith it.  Haven't had it in years, but I might now.

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