The Phantom Horseman Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 26 minutes ago, Dog forever said: We know batley have used it before so no excuses there. But having said that it doesnt mean that we as supporters agree with it. I think it has killed the competitiveness in games rather than intensified the matchday experience. Fine, and many Fev fans would agree with that, but I have looked at this forum for years and there has never been anything like the outrage when your own team has used it as there has been when we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 I am sure that the DR system causes conflicting emotions in a lot of us. It is good to see talented players in the Championship and I am grateful to have seen some of them playing for us in years gone by. It does lend itself to clubs being treated as "feeder" clubs though, and for that reason I prefer loans to DR. The real challenge for Championship Clubs might be the reserve competition. If it proves itself to be a good testing ground for players then we might well see Championship players being picked off just to help develop good young players in SL reserve teams. Sorry to drift off the title subject somewhat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
distantdog Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 5 hours ago, The Phantom Horseman said: Fine, and many Fev fans would agree with that, but I have looked at this forum for years and there has never been anything like the outrage when your own team has used it as there has been when we have. Well for me, as said many times, how clubs choose to run themselves is their choice and nothing to do with anyone else. What galls me is the vitriol aimed at other clubs in the past, when they used DR. The phrase 'selling your soul' was often used by the supporters of your club. Now we see regularly Fev supporters appearing extolling the values of DR. You reap what you sow I am afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham fisher Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Sounds like it was a mighty effort by Batley today,well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolie Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Good performance But like ours on Friday night Fabulous effort by your lads but like ours you get absolutely fluff all for breaking ya ball$ Hope it's not the same old story for both heavy woollen clubs Bring back the bonus point!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keep The Faith Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 26 minutes ago, coolie said: Good performance But like ours on Friday night Fabulous effort by your lads but like ours you get absolutely fluff all for breaking ya ball$ Hope it's not the same old story for both heavy woollen clubs Bring back the bonus point!!!!! We were in the game until Bowman gave the penalty away we played well but that killed us off http://tombatley.wordpress.com/ Give it a read.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Horseman Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 3 hours ago, distantdog said: . Now we see regularly Fev supporters appearing extolling the values of DR. You reap what you sow I am afraid. On this forum, it's virtually always a Batley fan who brings up DR, and Fev fans merely point out the double standards. You reap what you sow, I am afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
distantdog Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, The Phantom Horseman said: On this forum, it's virtually always a Batley fan who brings up DR, and Fev fans merely point out the double standards. You reap what you sow, I am afraid. You will of course notice that i didn't say who was first to bring up the subject. Secondly, it is a Batley forum so why shouldn't it be brought up on here by a Batley supporter. There is nothing more predictable than the virus of Fev supporters arriving to defend their club against the use of DR. (If you notice, I did say it is nothing to do with anyone how a club chooses to run itself.)The double sstandard is Fev fans embracing DR with gusto when previously accusing other clubs when doing the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Horseman Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, distantdog said: You will of course notice that i didn't say who was first to bring up the subject. Secondly, it is a Batley forum so why shouldn't it be brought up on here by a Batley supporter. There is nothing more predictable than the virus of Fev supporters arriving to defend their club against the use of DR. (If you notice, I did say it is nothing to do with anyone how a club chooses to run itself.)The double sstandard is Fev fans embracing DR with gusto when previously accusing other clubs when doing the same. If you don't like Fev fans talking about DR, don't bring it up! The point about Fev fans having previously been critical of DR many years ago is actually a valid one imo, but it's no more hypocritical than Batley fans bringing it up whenever we play you...every time, it's Batley fans whining about us using DR (and sometimes on our forum too), it's no wonder some Fev fans remind you about your own use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
distantdog Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Phantom Horseman said: If you don't like Fev fans talking about DR, don't bring it up! The point about Fev fans having previously been critical of DR many years ago is actually a valid one imo, but it's no more hypocritical than Batley fans bringing it up whenever we play you...every time, it's Batley fans whining about us using DR (and sometimes on our forum too), it's no wonder some Fev fans remind you about your own use. OK, I don't mind them talking about it, just think that it is hypocritical! Do I think our supporters are being hypocritical when doing the same? Of course, and you will see that discussion on here on other threads. There are threads on your forum discussing similar themes, though I believe the tones are different. Anyway, congratulations on your win today. You are a fine side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Horseman Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 minute ago, distantdog said: OK, I don't mind them talking about it, just think that it is hypocritical! Do I think our supporters are being hypocritical when doing the same? Of course, and you will see that discussion on here on other threads. There are threads on your forum discussing similar themes, though I believe the tones are different. Anyway, congratulations on your win today. You are a fine side! Fair enough. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batley Bob Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, distantdog said: OK, I don't mind them talking about it, just think that it is hypocritical! Do I think our supporters are being hypocritical when doing the same? Of course, and you will see that discussion on here on other threads. There are threads on your forum discussing similar themes, though I believe the tones are different. Anyway, congratulations on your win today. You are a fine side! BatleyBulldogs 18 Fev rhinos 38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinb Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 FWIW...The next 3 games for Fev may be interesting. No Chisholm. He was the nucleus and that created the difference. We played well today. Thoughf the ref missed some calls / got them wrong but hey ho. I was very impressed with Bowman. Thought pack was good. Half backs stood up. Couple of tweeks /additions were not a million miles away. Well done. WHERE DO YOU WANT ME TO SWIPE THIS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerT Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 I have just posted the Player Stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phildog Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Reasonably happy after today, ok we lost by 20 but we've lost to Fev in a blown away fashion so often, today we competed and were well in it at 18-24. A couple of signings/She's would do a world of good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog forever Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 hour ago, The Phantom Horseman said: On this forum, it's virtually always a Batley fan who brings up DR, and Fev fans merely point out the double standards. You reap what you sow, I am afraid. I can only see it as some love it because it has benefitted their club, some loath it because it is dividing the division into a four horse race most seasons . The final placing predictions at the beginning of the season by most pundits is nearly always what has been suggested. I really hope fev do make it to super duper league, they deserve it. If they do it will be interesting to see how they recruit players to play at that level because not all the squad they have now are of that standard . Also there will be mo more d/r with leeds. The dogs might not be the biggest club in rl, but we dont owe nobody owt, and are not scared to answer the door when people come knocking. Financially we are probably in a better place than some sl clubs. Good look for 2020 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOGFATHER Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 9 hours ago, The Phantom Horseman said: Dogfather, when Batley beat Fev in the 2013 semi final using Huddersfield dual reg players YOU started a thread straight after the game entitled "John Kear for Pope, Knighthood and Prime Minister". Why were you not telling your fellow Batley fans how delusional they were instead? Crikey, I know there isn't much to do in Fev, but that post must have taken some dredging. I think the hypocrisy you cite is incorrect though. I haven't and never will have any issues with using DR as it was originally intended, like we did. I.e. A maximum of 2 DR players and one loanee in the 17. giving young lads (under 23 year olds) experience and giving them exposure to a higher standard than the reserves. Any more than 3 players in the 17 is just too many imo. My issue is playing very experienced SL players like Singleton, Delaney and we even had Adam Swift play against us last year for Sheffield, (it isn't an anti Fev thing). Although it is within the rules to do this. It isn't really in the spirit, again, just my opinion. This is not Fev's or any other teams issue, it should be the governing body that should be ensuring that this sort of thing cannot happen. Please tell me where we ever used a DR player with regular first team experience? However, it may seem like Fev get most of the stick, because you seem to have at least 4 none Fev players in the 17 most weeks whether they are DR, loan or mysteriously signed from Leeds with seemingly no money exchanging hands. Like in Briscoe's case, and now with the lad Bradford have picked up from Leeds for just one season and then he is returning to Leeds. But congratulations on the win today, we were far more competitive than I expected prior to kick off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Horseman Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dog forever said: I can only see it as some love it because it has benefitted their club, some loath it because it is dividing the division into a four horse race most seasons . The final placing predictions at the beginning of the season by most pundits is nearly always what has been suggested. I really hope fev do make it to super duper league, they deserve it. If they do it will be interesting to see how they recruit players to play at that level because not all the squad they have now are of that standard . Also there will be mo more d/r with leeds. The dogs might not be the biggest club in rl, but we dont owe nobody owt, and are not scared to answer the door when people come knocking. Financially we are probably in a better place than some sl clubs. Good look for 2020 season. Honestly, I don't think any Fev fans "love" DR. Although I do think our club has done a good job of building up a relationship with our DR partners I wouldn't be at all upset if it was done away with and many Fev fans feel even more strongly than that. A few of us just get annoyed when people point the finger at us rather than the system itself. Yes we'd need to recruit differently if we made SL but there would be a massive funding boost for us...probably 5 or 6 times the current budget. Most Fev fans really like Batley, and coming to the ground. You've got some really good people running the club, honest and loyal, and it saddens me when I've seen them get flack on here. As you say financially you have always been very sound and an admirable club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Horseman Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, DOGFATHER said: Crikey, I know there isn't much to do in Fev, but that post must have taken some dredging. I think the hypocrisy you cite is incorrect though. I haven't and never will have any issues with using DR as it was originally intended, like we did. I.e. A maximum of 2 DR players and one loanee in the 17. giving young lads (under 23 year olds) experience and giving them exposure to a higher standard than the reserves. Any more than 3 players in the 17 is just too many imo. My issue is playing very experienced SL players like Singleton, Delaney and we even had Adam Swift play against us last year for Sheffield, (it isn't an anti Fev thing). Although it is within the rules to do this. It isn't really in the spirit, again, just my opinion. This is not Fev's or any other teams issue, it should be the governing body that should be ensuring that this sort of thing cannot happen. Please tell me where we ever used a player with regular first team experience? However, it may seem like Fev get most of the stick, because you seem to have at least 4 none Fev players in the 17 most weeks whether they are DR, loan or mysteriously signed from Leeds with seemingly no money exchanging hands. Like in Briscoe's case, and now with the lad Bradford have picked up from Leeds for just one season and then he is returning to Leeds. But congratulations on the win today, we were far more competitive than I expected prior to kick off. Actually I agree about Singleton and Delaney, they only played 1 game each for us but I'd be all in favour of a rule prohibiting players with a certain level of SL/NRL experience. And if the limit of DR players were reduced, fine by me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOGFATHER Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 24 minutes ago, The Phantom Horseman said: Actually I agree about Singleton and Delaney, they only played 1 game each for us but I'd be all in favour of a rule prohibiting players with a certain level of SL/NRL experience. And if the limit of DR players were reduced, fine by me too. It is worse in some ways if they only play once, if you are the unlucky team to play against them. Like we were with Singleton. Maybe the likes of Dewsbury and Swinton would not have been so competitive if he had played against them too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 hour ago, distantdog said: The double sstandard is Fev fans embracing DR with gusto when previously accusing other clubs when doing the same. Nonsense. Most fans at Rovers do not embrace DR and would prefer it wasn't used.... I'm one of those.... i hate it, but i can fully understand why we use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADREDNIGE Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 If we didn't use it with Leeds another team would. I personally don't agree with it but it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
distantdog Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, Robin Evans said: Nonsense. Most fans at Rovers do not embrace DR and would prefer it wasn't used.... I'm one of those.... i hate it, but i can fully understand why we use it. Really? Those that share the virtues seem to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
distantdog Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, MADREDNIGE said: If we didn't use it with Leeds another team would. I personally don't agree with it but it is what it is. But it wasn't always like that was it? You were one of the Club's who took a stance against it, a stance l personally admired. What changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 minute ago, distantdog said: Really? Those that share the virtues seem to. Like who? I can't recall a single post from any fev fan embracing the system with gusto.... There may be the odd one.... but i cant recall any. You got a quote?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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