kiyan Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 On 08/02/2020 at 21:56, Bleep1673 said: Personally I think he should be allowed a bit of leeway, if any gay player has a problem with his religious beliefs, then let them declare their objections, and become openly gay. Given the vitriol against his posts on social media, if player(s) want to come out as LGBTQ, I am sure the Rugby League community, from all teams will support him in any way Not! If an active player was to openly reveal themselves as LGBTQ, then good luck to them, and I hope they will find a bunker to hide in. Short Dress by David Hesketh, on Flickr WOW! Have you been hiding somewhere under a rock? ( along with Jon) At least 2 SL players have come out as gay, both of which have as you say, expressed their disgust, neither have needed a bunker to hide in and it appears that most of RL is behind them! You and your homophobic musings are who need a bunker to hid in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiyan Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 13 hours ago, RMBJ said: Are there any gay rugby league teams? There are quite a few of them who play in the RFU league structure. Kings Cross Steelers are probably the best known but I think there are at least a few others. There are also gay RU clubs in Australia. yes(ish) (Gay teams who are open to all) Several in Manchester alone, which the sport has been developing! All of them furious at Folau playing, which is maybe way they didn't play him in Salford! He would not have got a good reception! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henson Park Old Firm Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/10927805/super-league-clubs-could-land-israel-folau-cash-windfall-as-catalans-negotiate-new-french-tv-deal/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Henson Park Old Firm said: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/10927805/super-league-clubs-could-land-israel-folau-cash-windfall-as-catalans-negotiate-new-french-tv-deal/ Nah they wouldn't accept the money after they said they didn't want him in the league otherwise they would be massive hypocrites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 That article is extremely light on detail isn't it, and completely ignores the fact that discussions have been ongoing with French broadcasters for months. And if anybody thinks there will be a cash windfall, they want their bumps feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dave T said: That article is extremely light on detail isn't it, and completely ignores the fact that discussions have been ongoing with French broadcasters for months. And if anybody thinks there will be a cash windfall, they want their bumps feeling. And What about all the extra ticket revenue folau helps to get once he gets back to form. I expect a lot of people (not you) to be eating a lot of crow when he doesn't repeat his comments and shows what a fabulous rugby player he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, aj1908 said: And What about all the extra ticket revenue folau helps to get once he gets back to form. I expect a lot of people (not you) to be eating a lot of crow when they he doesn't repeat his comments and shows what a fabulous rugby player he is That has never been in question though has it? This thread isn't about his on-field stuff. Although that bit will be interesting to see as he has been out of RL for a long time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Dave T said: That has never been in question though has it? This thread isn't about his on-field stuff. Although that bit will be interesting to see as he has been out of RL for a long time! It should be about his on field stuff. He's a super league player now. What he can do with his hands and feet is more important than his mouth (as long as It stays shut) Redemption stories are good for league even for an idiot like folau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 https://www.sportingnews.com/au/league/news/greg-bird-israel-folau-catalans-dragons-super-league-rugby-league/sdbipcg4dc2q1nnl33ll7vcgu Bird should know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 16 minutes ago, aj1908 said: It should be about his on field stuff. He's a super league player now. What he can do with his hands and feet is more important than his mouth (as long as It stays shut) Redemption stories are good for league even for an idiot like folau Definition of redemption: the action of saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil This aint a redemption story is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 34 minutes ago, Dave T said: Definition of redemption: the action of saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil This aint a redemption story is it? I think this story could easily be spun as Falou making an error in posting his messages on Instagram, losing his job with the ARU and Rugby League giving him a chance to reprieve his Rugby career. It is a creative interpretation but it is not untrue. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dunbar said: I think this story could easily be spun as Falou making an error in posting his messages on Instagram, losing his job with the ARU and Rugby League giving him a chance to reprieve his Rugby career. It is a creative interpretation but it is not untrue. I think it's pushing it a fair bit mate He doesn't see it as an error, in fact he went to court, raised millions to fight it and played the victim over his views being oppressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Dave T said: I think it's pushing it a fair bit mate He doesn't see it as an error, in fact he went to court, raised millions to fight it and played the victim over his views being oppressed. As I say, 'creative'. I still wonder what those many thousands of people who donated money for him to 'win' his $4M settlement on the basis of being unfairly gagged and having his religious freedom of speech curtailed think of his agreement not to post anything while being employed by Catalan. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Dave T said: Definition of redemption: the action of saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil This aint a redemption story is it? reverse redemption ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Dunbar said: I think this story could easily be spun as Falou making an error in posting his messages on Instagram, losing his job with the ARU and Rugby League giving him a chance to reprieve his Rugby career. It is a creative interpretation but it is not untrue. its obviously a potential for folau to redeem himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Dave T said: I think it's pushing it a fair bit mate He doesn't see it as an error, in fact he went to court, raised millions to fight it and played the victim over his views being oppressed. redmeption as a rugby player. not for his own personal beliefs lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, aj1908 said: redmeption as a rugby player. not for his own personal beliefs lol. But he hasn't done owt as a rugby player has he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dave T said: But he hasn't done owt as a rugby player has he? his rugby career is in tatters before he got this lifeline. and as a rugby player - both codes - he was very good. quite a few nrl clubs wanted him before head office said no. and catalans got him for a bargain. something like 400k. the wolfpack are paying that leutele guy more. in a months time when he has some games on his belt i expect he will be racking up lots of tries for catalans. thats really all hes good for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBone Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Maybe this article from last year will help people in understanding the case situation as it was heading into mediation... https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2019/10/10/folau-lawsuit-court He offered an apology as part of a settlement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 nrl and ARU banned him because they were scared of losing sponsors, not some moral stance on his beliefs. the last nrl off season where we had so many off field stuff we lost around 10 million dollars in sponsorships and the game didnt want to go through more controversy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, Dave T said: But he hasn't done owt as a rugby player has he? https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2017/10/25/rugby-australia-awards-john-eales-medal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Just now, aj1908 said: https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2017/10/25/rugby-australia-awards-john-eales-medal Owt wrong to redeem himself. How can you seek redemption when you yourself say you've done nothing wrong. This ain't a redemption story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Just now, Dave T said: Owt wrong to redeem himself. How can you seek redemption when you yourself say you've done nothing wrong. This ain't a redemption story. again its a redemption of his rugby career. thats what he does for a living. hes getting another chance to make a go of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMBJ Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share Posted February 10, 2020 16 minutes ago, aj1908 said: again its a redemption of his rugby career. thats what he does for a living. hes getting another chance to make a go of it. You don't seem to be getting it - he was offered another chance by his last employer. He agreed to it. Then he went and said it all again. As others have rightly pointed out - he hasn't retracted, rescinded or even acknowledged that his comments might offend a sizeable demographic. The thoughts are all still there and the chance to be the person holding the microphone under his chin when it all spills out again will be a journalistic Holy Grail they will all be after. It's a lose/lose scenario for Catalans and Rugby League. This won't end well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj1908 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Just now, RMBJ said: You don't seem to be getting it - he was offered another chance by his last employer. He agreed to it. Then he went and said it all again. As others have rightly pointed out - he hasn't retracted, rescinded or even acknowledged that his comments might offend a sizeable demographic. The thoughts are all still there and the chance to be the person holding the microphone under his chin when it all spills out again will be a journalistic Holy Grail they will all be after. It's a lose/lose scenario for Catalans and Rugby League. This won't end well. Are you a mind reader ? How do you know he will repeat his comments I don't know how much you know about rugby league But Catalans had a chance to.get a fantastic player very cheaply it's just good.business Lenghan himself said they looked at him.and had no cap space I.dont think Catalans owe the other clubs much after the defending cc champions were asked to pay a bond of 500k.to.defend their title What a joke that was I hope.folau helps.them win lots and lots of.games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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