The effect DR has on the game

[gittinsfan]

There has been a lot of comment about this between Batley and Fev fans this week.

I've read a lot of comments from the lower leagues but not much from SL.

If DR was scrapped tomorrow,how do you think it would affect:

1, SL clubs.

2, Champ clubs

3, Div 1

Will SL reserve teams have much effect?

It could be interesting to hear more SL views.

[One F in Wakefield]

Im all for getting rid of it and full SL implementation of the reserve grade.

Not too sure how it would affect champ clubs, maybe more opportunities for other youngsters to come through?  Also it cant be good for the fans of Batley and Fev to see all these kids coming and going all the time from their team

[Colin James]

Looking at lineups from the much vaunted reserves league, clubs are bringing in players who have zero prospect at first team level to fill out their squads and using Dual Registration of fringe players too. I see the benefit of the latter but the former raises questions about having reserves for the sake of it.

[Mr Plow]

4 hours ago, Colin James said:

Looking at lineups from the much vaunted reserves league, clubs are bringing in players who have zero prospect at first team level to fill out their squads and using Dual Registration of fringe players too. I see the benefit of the latter but the former raises questions about having reserves for the sake of it.

Question is do we want the lower leagues to have feeder clubs like in Australia? I do t think you can have DR and promotion and relegation, it’s either one or the other

[Hull Kingston Bronco]

5 hours ago, Colin James said:

Looking at lineups from the much vaunted reserves league, clubs are bringing in players who have zero prospect at first team level to fill out their squads and using Dual Registration of fringe players too. I see the benefit of the latter but the former raises questions about having reserves for the sake of it.

Don’t think reserves being a mix of primary club and DR is a sign of a problem, it’s one of the reasons to do it? 
 

- Surplus first-team players can keep playing when not picked, within their own club’s systems, and youth players can be tested against open age teams 

- The DR players can test themselves against SL-quality players, so it’s an opportunity for the best to show ability 

- It’s also another pathway for the best late-developers in the local community game

 

Certainly KR reserves was a mix of all of those segments at the weekend, quite happy with that 

 

 

[Ackroman]

My concern is the amount of game time young players get. It's not healthy to play for Dewsbury one weekend and then KR reserves during the week. DR is a mess, players need to be on extended loans like they are in football.

[Tommygilf]

1 hour ago, Ackroman said:

My concern is the amount of game time young players get. It's not healthy to play for Dewsbury one weekend and then KR reserves during the week. DR is a mess, players need to be on extended loans like they are in football.

I agree. Leeds' arrangement with Fev has been mutually beneficial but it seems mostly for the players who could have been on half/full season loans anyway. DR has been useful to an extent with a limited playing pool, but is by no means a perfect system. 

[Clogiron]

Long term loans of a  specified  period with a call back if certified injuries trigger it seems the best option. DR and reserve teams is messy and unworkable to my mind.

[Private Baldrick]

I support Fev.

I am no fan of DR.

I would prefer DR to be done away with...… BUT

It is here.

While it is here, we kick the bottom out of it.

Feel free to encourage your own clubs to do the same.

[Lowdesert]

14 hours ago, One F in Wakefield said:

Im all for getting rid of it and full SL implementation of the reserve grade.

Not too sure how it would affect champ clubs, maybe more opportunities for other youngsters to come through?  Also it cant be good for the fans of Batley and Fev to see all these kids coming and going all the time from their team

And that’s what it all about.  The Fans.

Strange the Reserves rules suddenly changed before the season started.

One good thing though is that all clubs in the Reserves league can add up to 2 university players which is an area we should really try to develop as a sport.

[Colin James]

2 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

Don’t think reserves being a mix of primary club and DR is a sign of a problem, it’s one of the reasons to do it? 
 

- Surplus first-team players can keep playing when not picked, within their own club’s systems, and youth players can be tested against open age teams 

- The DR players can test themselves against SL-quality players, so it’s an opportunity for the best to show ability 

- It’s also another pathway for the best late-developers in the local community game

 

Certainly KR reserves was a mix of all of those segments at the weekend, quite happy with that 

 

 

Example, Warrington reserves picking Kyle Shelford formerly of Swinton who was released at the end of last season after a spell at Rochdale. As nice a guy as he is and a good servant to Swinton, I don't imagine Wire have any plans for him as a first team player. Is the sport better served with him as a specialist reserve or playing at a lower level? There's plenty of players when you look through reserve line ups who have clearly been brought in just to fill a spot. They aren't future first team players  or recovering from injury. They are fodder to fill a spot in an arbitrary team and league.

DR of reserves is being sold as giving fringe players game time but really it just exposes the lack of players we have in the sport when SL clubs are having to DR with Championship sides in order to fullfil fixtures. They aren't doing it as a favour to the Championship, they're doing it because they don't have a big enough squad to run three teams.

[Lowdesert]

12 minutes ago, Colin James said:

Example, Warrington reserves picking Kyle Shelford formerly of Swinton who was released at the end of last season after a spell at Rochdale. As nice a guy as he is and a good servant to Swinton, I don't imagine Wire have any plans for him as a first team player. Is the sport better served with him as a specialist reserve or playing at a lower level? There's plenty of players when you look through reserve line ups who have clearly been brought in just to fill a spot. They aren't future first team players  or recovering from injury. They are fodder to fill a spot in an arbitrary team and league.

DR of reserves is being sold as giving fringe players game time but really it just exposes the lack of players we have in the sport when SL clubs are having to DR with Championship sides in order to fullfil fixtures. They aren't doing it as a favour to the Championship, they're doing it because they don't have a big enough squad to run three teams.

I’m certain I read that Kyle was being brought in specifically for that developing young players role Colin.

[sweaty craiq]

Fevs relationship with Leeds is far more than Leeds making a few players available on game day - this to me is the problem.

[Davo5]

DR has no place in a sport that has promotion/relegation.

[Mr Plow]

1 hour ago, sweaty craiq said:

Fevs relationship with Leeds is far more than Leeds making a few players available on game day - this to me is the problem.

Fev are effectively a feeder club. People joked last year calling them Leeds Reserves but it’s true

[DEANO]

1 hour ago, Davo5 said:

DR has no place in a sport that has promotion/relegation.

DR has no place in any sport full stop. It is there purely for super greed clubs

[Lowdesert]

4 minutes ago, Mr Plow said:

Fev are effectively a feeder club. People joked last year calling them Leeds Reserves but it’s true

I think it would benefit Fev to go it alone.  They have a good ground and are a passionate team.  Longo seems a good guy too.  

I know the DR is still in but imo they have a shot at being in the shake up at seasons end.  

[TboneFromTO]

1 hour ago, Davo5 said:

DR has no place in a sport that has promotion/relegation.

It does when the player pool is thinning.  Bandaid solution? Absolutely. Do I like it? No! (Am I happy Toronto just signed a DR? Yes. Now we have some help of we need it haha)

5 minutes ago, Mr Plow said:

Fev are effectively a feeder club. People joked last year calling them Leeds Reserves but it’s true

DR is essentially a farm system without financial responsibility.  Fev last year benifited greatly from it.  I hope they continue to reap the rewards, and it not start to go the other way (in favour of Leeds ..)

[The Daddy]

Having both Dual reg and promotion/relegation is a big contradiction, Its unfair on teams in the Championship that are genuinely and organically trying to develop their own squads and younger players. All of a sudden you have teams fielding England players coming back from injury playing against championship level players who have a genuine chance of being promoted. Some clubs want to have their cake and eat it 

[Mr Plow]

34 minutes ago, Lowdesert said:

I think it would benefit Fev to go it alone.  They have a good ground and are a passionate team.  Longo seems a good guy too.  

I know the DR is still in but imo they have a shot at being in the shake up at seasons end.  

Had a lot of success before DR when Powell was coaching them and better stadium than some SL clubs

[gazza77]

3 hours ago, sweaty craiq said:

Fevs relationship with Leeds is far more than Leeds making a few players available on game day - this to me is the problem.

It is more than just making a few players available. Our conditioner has only recently stated that at least one of our long term injured players is able to do rehab using the facilities at Leeds as an example of where else it impacts. Like it or loathe it, I'd suggest Fev and Leeds are making best use of the current rules. It's up to the rest to look to change the rules, join the game as is, or sulk about it. 

[DEANO]

Didn’t fev sulk about it when it first came in and they weren’t using it

[gazza77]

1 hour ago, DEANO said:

Didn’t fev sulk about it when it first came in and they weren’t using it

And then they decided if you can't beat em, join em, because most other clubs wouldn't scrap it. Suddenly for some reason, that meant all the others using it were suddenly up in arms.

[DEANO]

I’m up in arms. My club uses it. It’s a farce. It makes the competition false. Scrap it now

[Hull Kingston Bronco]

5 hours ago, Davo5 said:

DR has no place in a sport that has promotion/relegation.

 

Maybe, but the issue is the 2nd half of the sentence. Fev are never going to be a sustainable SL club. There's only perhaps 2 outside of SL that could be. I'm all for ring-fencing, entry by wider qualification, and the 2nd tier being run as feeder and community organisations.

 

e.g. Redcliffe Dolphins fans in-year objective is to win the QLD Cup, that's a worthy goal in itself (they'd probably be top 8 in SL, at least...), and alongside a proper medium-term plan to build the business case for a sustainable NRL team - better that than some random local car dealer blowing half his net worth on salaries that other 2nd tiee teams can't compete with, to only win promotion to an unsustainable year in the big time. The 2nd one is the Leigh model, and a total waste of time.