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15 hours ago, Dunbar said:

The big question for me is whether Ricky Stuart can turn George Williams into a world class half back. He has Wighton at 6 and and has clearly decided that Williams for Sezer is a trade he wanted to make.

Williams has all the natural attributes to make the transition... a good passing and kicking game while he is an elusive runner.

If Williams can be that half I think he would complement Trueman very well and they could make a very effective partnership.

It will be fascinating to watch Williams in the NRL this year.

I will be very surprised if Williams works out.

Opposition Coaches will be doing overtime to look at his game and target him to break Canberra’s distribution and game plan.

Talent is secondary to whether players are confident.

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23 minutes ago, Allora said:

I will be very surprised if Williams works out.

Opposition Coaches will be doing overtime to look at his game and target him to break Canberra’s distribution and game plan.

I will reserve my judgement on Williams until be plays a few games.

I have said before that Williams is a bit of an enigma.  He has plenty of positive attributes, he is a strong and elusive runner, his passing game is creative and his short kicking game is very good, but somehow the overall player doesn't quite live up to the sum of the parts.

But, sometimes players respond to different environments and competitions in different ways. A player like Josh Hodgson who was one a few decent 9's behind the best in Super League is regarded as being in the top 3 in the NRL as the way the Raiders play suits him very well.

Williams has certainly not got any excuses... he is with a contingent of English players, he is being coached by a former test half and with Sezer away it looks like he has the 7 shirt.  I will enjoy seeing how it unfolds.

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

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9 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

I will reserve my judgement on Williams until be plays a few games.

I have said before that Williams is a bit of an enigma.  He has plenty of positive attributes, he is a strong and elusive runner, his passing game is creative and his short kicking game is very good, but somehow the overall player doesn't quite live up to the sum of the parts.

But, sometimes players respond to different environments and competitions in different ways. A player like Josh Hodgson who was one a few decent 9's behind the best in Super League is regarded as being in the top 3 in the NRL as the way the Raiders play suits him very well.

Williams has certainly not got any excuses... he is with a contingent of English players, he is being coached by a former test half and with Sezer away it looks like he has the 7 shirt.  I will enjoy seeing how it unfolds.

I think Williams sticks hold of the ball a bit much and often the team don’t seem to know what he’s up to.

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14 minutes ago, Tonka said:

I think Williams sticks hold of the ball a bit much and often the team don’t seem to know what he’s up to.

Yes, I would agree with that.  Which is why I am keen to see if Ricky Stuart can turn him into a half back that can play in a more structured way and who can manage a team around the park (while still playing 'heads up' rugby when it is on).

If he does it will be good for Williams and also very good for England.

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

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I don't usually like these kind of threads as it usually ends up becoming fans picking their club/favourite players or just lazily copying SKY and reeling off the names of 2 or 3 good, young players who play for Leeds/Wigan/Saints/Wire.

I don't think we should be chucking in youngsters who have had less than 2 years SL experience, so i won't consider the likes of Welsby, Smithies etc, or Australians!

So I'll name 4 for each position who i would pick from but who can also do a job elsewhere, based on the here and now.

Full back- Lomax, Evalds, Hardaker, Ratchford

Winger- McGillvary, Charnley, Makinson, Burgess

Centre- Gildart, Percival, Griffin, Connor

Halves- Trueman, Widdop, Tomkins, Gaskell

Props- Thompson, Walmsley, Cooper, Watts

Hooker- Roby, Clark, Hodgson, McShane

Second row- Whitehead, Bateman, Currie, Jones

Loose forward- Ward, Westerman, Philbin, Savelio* (can cover all forward positions)

 

Obviously I've picked a lot of players who can interchange positions, especially in the forwards, and a few specialists, we have some really good young up and coming players who have had an impact and i have done a team/squad of potentials in 2-3 years

Full back- J.Walker, Welsby, Ashton

Winger- L.Senior, I.Senior, Newman,

Centre- Wardle, Costello, Croft

Halves- Shorrocks, Russell, Smith

Prop- Partington, Lees, English ,Byrne

Hooker- Bentley, Danny Walker, A.Smith,

Second rower- James Batchelor, Crowther, C.Smith

Loose forward- Smithies, Brad Walker,

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7 minutes ago, meast said:

I don't usually like these kind of threads as it usually ends up becoming fans picking their club/favourite players or just lazily copying SKY and reeling off the names of 2 or 3 good, young players who play for Leeds/Wigan/Saints/Wire.

I don't think we should be chucking in youngsters who have had less than 2 years SL experience, so i won't consider the likes of Welsby, Smithies etc, or Australians!

So I'll name 4 for each position who i would pick from but who can also do a job elsewhere, based on the here and now.

Full back- Lomax, Evalds, Hardaker, Ratchford

Winger- McGillvary, Charnley, Makinson, Burgess

Centre- Gildart, Percival, Griffin, Connor

Halves- Trueman, Widdop, Tomkins, Gaskell

Props- Thompson, Walmsley, Cooper, Watts

Hooker- Roby, Clark, Hodgson, McShane

Second row- Whitehead, Bateman, Currie, Jones

Loose forward- Ward, Westerman, Philbin, Savelio* (can cover all forward positions)

 

Obviously I've picked a lot of players who can interchange positions, especially in the forwards, and a few specialists, we have some really good young up and coming players who have had an impact and i have done a team/squad of potentials in 2-3 years

Full back- J.Walker, Welsby, Ashton

Winger- L.Senior, I.Senior, Newman,

Centre- Wardle, Costello, Croft

Halves- Shorrocks, Russell, Smith

Prop- Partington, Lees, English ,Byrne

Hooker- Bentley, Danny Walker, A.Smith,

Second rower- James Batchelor, Crowther, C.Smith

Loose forward- Smithies, Brad Walker,

Good luck with those players.

Talent is secondary to whether players are confident.

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32 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Yes, I would agree with that.  Which is why I am keen to see if Ricky Stuart can turn him into a half back that can play in a more structured way and who can manage a team around the park (while still playing 'heads up' rugby when it is on).

If he does it will be good for Williams and also very good for England.

Thinking about Wane's coaching career (from youth through to Wigan's first team), Williams has probably never been coached in anybody else's playing style. So a change of coach will be interesting, for him and for Canberra.

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1 hour ago, Dunbar said:

I will reserve my judgement on Williams until be plays a few games.

I have said before that Williams is a bit of an enigma.  He has plenty of positive attributes, he is a strong and elusive runner, his passing game is creative and his short kicking game is very good, but somehow the overall player doesn't quite live up to the sum of the parts.

But, sometimes players respond to different environments and competitions in different ways. A player like Josh Hodgson who was one a few decent 9's behind the best in Super League is regarded as being in the top 3 in the NRL as the way the Raiders play suits him very well.

Williams has certainly not got any excuses... he is with a contingent of English players, he is being coached by a former test half and with Sezer away it looks like he has the 7 shirt.  I will enjoy seeing how it unfolds.

If Tyrone Roberts can play over 150 NRL games,Williams has to be in with a shout of making a successful switch.

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Said it before , maybe wrong mind I was once in 1978 , I think Williams will do the business for Canberra . They’ll iron out his rough edges , and he’s got plenty of strong points . He’s at a great club and he’ll be a much improved player in that cauldron week in week out . Sink or swim there but I’m backing him to swim and show the Balders magic 

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Just now, Davo5 said:

If Tyrone Roberts can play over 150 NRL games,Williams has to be in with a shout of making a successful switch.

Yes, I agree. I have no doubts about Williams being NRL quality it is just whether he is the right fit for the role the Raiders want him to play.

Last year the Raiders were at their best with Sezer at 7 and Wighton at 6 with Sezer managing the team around the park and Wighton the strike weapon.

I think it will be interesting to see how Williams and Wighton fit together as they are very similar players as strike players rather than the 'managing' half back.

Williams is NRL quality but he is being given the added pressure of transitioning to a 7 role that he hasn't played before as well as stepping up a level in the quality of the competition. 

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

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3 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Yes, I agree. I have no doubts about Williams being NRL quality it is just whether he is the right fit for the role the Raiders want him to play.

Last year the Raiders were at their best with Sezer at 7 and Wighton at 6 with Sezer managing the team around the park and Wighton the strike weapon.

I think it will be interesting to see how Williams and Wighton fit together as they are very similar players as strike players rather than the 'managing' half back.

Williams is NRL quality but he is being given the added pressure of transitioning to a 7 role that he hasn't played before as well as stepping up a level in the quality of the competition. 

Playing with Wighton could help him transition . Wighton is the main focus so it could make it easier for Williams to bed in. They’ll be doing heaps in preseason to

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1 minute ago, DavidM said:

Playing with Wighton could help him transition . Wighton is the main focus so it could make it easier for Williams to bed in. They’ll be doing heaps in preseason to

Interesting update from Stuart in this article.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/02/08/one-road-to-redemption-for-refocused-stuart/

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Stuart hasn't had all that long to work with Williams, and part of that limited time is due to an injury for the 25-year-old.

"He only joined the squad post-Christmas due to international commitments and has had a couple of disruptions to his pre-season training through a quad strain," he said.

"We are hoping he will be back to full training soon. He is very professional towards his standards of preparation and I have enjoyed working with him so far"

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

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1 minute ago, Dunbar said:

Interesting update from Stuart in this article.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/02/08/one-road-to-redemption-for-refocused-stuart/

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Stuart hasn't had all that long to work with Williams, and part of that limited time is due to an injury for the 25-year-old.

"He only joined the squad post-Christmas due to international commitments and has had a couple of disruptions to his pre-season training through a quad strain," he said.

"We are hoping he will be back to full training soon. He is very professional towards his standards of preparation and I have enjoyed working with him so far"

Oh dear , not what you need adapting in a totally different environment 

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If Williams does go well at 7, and Wane decides he's going to be the 7 for the Ashes, then does that mean we should be looking more at Hodgson at 9 and trying to play like Canberra to an extent? Possibly even more so given I can't see anyone else as starting 2nd rowers other than Whitehead and Bateman. 

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4 minutes ago, Tonka said:

Shaun Wane starting 13:

Clubb

Burgess

Burgess

Hill

Graham

Mossop

Walmsley 

Cooper

Philbin

Thompson

Watts

Taylor

O’Loughlin

At least he has picked one speedster in Joe Burgess ?

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

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How different do you think the England team will look compared to the GB team that played last year? Not wanting a Eng vs GB debate but GB team was essentially England anyway. I want to discuss/debate which players will get recalled, make debuts or keep their place.

Aussies at home is a big challenge but with the right selections I think we've got a good chance of winning the series

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I'd be surprised if Hill, O Loughlin, Hall, Hardaker, were involved.

Not sure about Wanes view on Ausssies but cant see Hastings, Austin, Coote, all been included.

I'd imagine Watts will be in the frame, Trueman may be up the pecking order, Williams will be involved, wouldn't be surprised to see Naulago force his way into contention. Not Sutton if he's getting game time at Canberra.l

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