Mr Plow Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 How easily identifiable is the England RL brand? Football use the three lions, union have the red rose, league have always used the St George’s cross which seems to be a pretty hard thing to build a brand around. Id much rather them use the GB lion and be known as the Lions rather than the ‘wall of white’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 I fear GB is dead. Nice kit though.... That reminds me. Is anyone else still waiting for their England membership pack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plow Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 47 minutes ago, Man of Kent said: I fear GB is dead. Nice kit though.... That’s what I think, without going into it I don’t see GB having a future after last years tour but let’s not go into that. England inheriting some of the GB brand would be great imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headtackle Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Keep the flag of St George and just add a lion England Lions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyther_Matt Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Just end the charade and retain the lion from the GB kit. And stop the over reliance on the St George cross that makes us look like an unlicensed Sports Direct tribute act to the football and RU teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerrumonside ref Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Perhaps try a bit of Morris dancing to lay down the gauntlet to the opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert1 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Need to have dark socks with white tops! All white kits look naff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The British Lion Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 I don't think we should 'disband' GB for ever, but certainly shelve it. Besides. I don't see why we don't just schedule GB Lions for abroad tours as in Rugby Union. Makes sense to me..... once we have bonified Welsh, Scottish and Irish players to choose from. As for now, I'd be happy to use the Lions brand for England. Ive always said, our England kits often look like cheap sports direct tops with the St George cross, and sometimes daft patterns all over the jersey. I'd be happy for England to have a double red - vee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnidir Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 I love the ridiculous st George cross personally. No one else has done it in such a way and for so long. The problem is when they mess around with it. The "Classic' cotton jersey with the three lions within the cross and an 'irregular' outline was the best by far. I also liked the playing of Land of Hope and Glory as the anthem during the Jon Kear era (I think) My issue is they treat England like a club brand, with no continuity. Thats what makes it cheap when compared to the Kangaroos. I would also like to see a version of the royal coat of arms added as the on jersey logo, in a similar way the Australia has a secondary Kangaroos logo, but the coat off arms as the main jersey badge. Finally, the instance on making up a nickname is daft. Start with England and promote that brand. Thats my 'peneth worth anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnidir Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 For what its worth, I have no idea why they didn't just add a few details to the logo as is. Please excuse the rough mock up work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plow Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 hour ago, gnidir said: For what its worth, I have no idea why they didn't just add a few details to the logo as is. Please excuse the rough mock up work TBF it does say England rugby league above the crest on the jerseys. But take the 3 lions off it and it does look like something you’d buy in sports direct. IMO they’ve over complicated it with the cross, lions, XIII and V at the bottom, there’s too much going on. Keep it simple, use a lion of some sort , be known as the lions and not the ‘Wall of White’ or more like ‘Wall of S***e’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerrumonside ref Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Celt said: what does that mean? Think he means bona fide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolton Leyther Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 The trouble with the Lions branding is that it will always be Rugby Union’s. I’d rather we improved on the St. George’s Cross design, or if not, then at least have something that’s unique to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert1 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I’d have the GB lions logo but in red on one side and a coat of arms on the other. White shirt and shorts with dark socks with white tops. Our kits look like that 2007 union strip which looked like sports direct job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolton Leyther Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, Johnoco said: You mean like that well known Rugby Union anthem ‘Three Lions’? “Three Lions” and “The Lions” are not one and the same, as I’d hoped would’ve been obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allora Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 From an outsiders point of view the St George Cross looks outdated and cliched in this day and age. All white shirts have never looked like a team of winners more like a team flying the flag of surrender before they get started. Now All Blacks.... Talent is secondary to whether players are confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolton Leyther Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Johnoco said: Yes obviously. Not many people associate lions with England RU. They associate it with the British and Irish Lions rugby union team. If we have to have an identity, we should have something uniquely ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I’m happy after that last tour to let GB stack it, but suspect it will keep disappearing and coming back. The England brand’s established enough now, but it has a rating about commensurate with the sport itself. Don’t worry about the kit and the badge too much guys, some of it is a bit Sports Direct but then so’s rugby league. Mend-A-Hose Jungle anyone? We should just chill out about that stuff - would rather that than picnic blankets and turned up collars any road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolton Leyther Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Johnoco said: The RU lot of the same name aren’t actually that well known amongst the general public though. I aren’t actually arguing that the England RL team should be called the lions, just that it’s more associated with football if anything. They are amongst casual sports enthusiasts, though. "The Three Lions" is football, "The Lions" is the Great Britain and Ireland rugby union feam. This thread is about branding and identity. From a marketing prerspective it's important to have something that's distinct (it's why we now have Wigan Warriors and Leeds Rhinos rather than simply Wigan and Leeds). Do a Google Search for "The Lions" and "Lions Tour" and check the first results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plow Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 35 minutes ago, Bolton Leyther said: They associate it with the British and Irish Lions rugby union team. If we have to have an identity, we should have something uniquely ours. What truly unique to rugby league that you can associate with England? Problem is it’s only the last 20-25 years that we’ve prioritised England over GB. England has never had a strong identity because it’s always been GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 If it was up to me I'd have taken the Gold GB lion badge and made it Red for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_57 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Just call them England Lions and add a bit of blue. I doubt Scotland, Wales and Ireland will care much. Not like other England rep teams don't use blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMBJ Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 A white rose and a red rose would be a good England RL badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMBJ Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Instead of the flag of St. George being the England logo, why not make it St. George himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headtackle Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Like the poster above I do not like all white or predominantly white shirts. They just look dull The English flag is red and white so they are basically the colours we have to work with What about red with a double white V. Alternatively lets go radical and do a Croatia football red and white chequers Alternatively again the red and white cross of St George and then as the Union barbarians do let the players wear their own club socks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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