The Future is League Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/sean-oloughlin-up-england-swansong-21477620 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Frisky Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I agree to a point- if hes fit and the best in his position play him and win the Ashes. Win what's first then worry about the WC next season as players you think will be around in 2021 may lose form or get injured before the WC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clogiron Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Great, that's how to beat the Aussies let's have him Graham, Roby, Ellis, Hall, maybe Benny Westwood, Matty Smith and of course Maclorum and Tomkins. Bet there quaking in their boots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I have a plan. If O'Loughlin is the best player available in his position then pick him. If he isn't, don't pick him. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Should be nowhere near the England squad,been a great player but he's lucky he's getting in Wigan's starting 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunsletgreenandgold Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I am slightly worried the Ashes squad is going to turn into a farewell tour for more than just O'Loughlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, hunsletgreenandgold said: I am slightly worried the Ashes squad is going to turn into a farewell tour for more than just O'Loughlin. You would hope that Shaun Wane would realise that results matter and the next two years could make him a national hero (in Rugby League terms) if he gets the results. Surely he won't pick the team for sentimental reasons! "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunsletgreenandgold Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, Dunbar said: You would hope that Shaun Wane would realise that results matter and the next two years could make him a national hero (in Rugby League terms) if he gets the results. Surely he won't pick the team for sentimental reasons! I think Wane knows his ultimate success will be based on how we perform at the next world cup. The Ashes series will IMO be used to analyse where we're still falling short against the Aussies and build from there - I don't think there will be much blooding of youth. Which leads me to think maybe not for sentimental reasons, but the term 'experienced players' could still be the buzz word. I like Wane as a coach but I just think he'll play it safe with many of his selections for the Ashes based on past endeavours rather than form at the time. I hope I'm wrong because the Ashes mean as much if not more in my mind than the world cup does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, hunsletgreenandgold said: I think Wane knows his ultimate success will be based on how we perform at the next world cup. The Ashes series will IMO be used to analyse where we're still falling short against the Aussies and build from there - I don't think there will be much blooding of youth. Which leads me to think maybe not for sentimental reasons, but the term 'experienced players' could still be the buzz word. I like Wane as a coach but I just think he'll play it safe with many of his selections for the Ashes based on past endeavours rather than form at the time. I hope I'm wrong because the Ashes mean as much if not more in my mind than the world cup does. I was just about to type the same thing. If I had to choose success in one of the two for England I would go for the World Cup as it will be better for the sport overall but if I had to choose for me personally I would probably go for an Ashes win.... it has been the most important Rugby League for me personally for 35 years. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, hunsletgreenandgold said: I think Wane knows his ultimate success will be based on how we perform at the next world cup. The Ashes series will IMO be used to analyse where we're still falling short against the Aussies and build from there - I don't think there will be much blooding of youth. Which leads me to think maybe not for sentimental reasons, but the term 'experienced players' could still be the buzz word. I like Wane as a coach but I just think he'll play it safe with many of his selections for the Ashes based on past endeavours rather than form at the time. I hope I'm wrong because the Ashes mean as much if not more in my mind than the world cup does. Bit of a contradiction Hunslet, how will he analyse the team if he plays people not expected to play the following year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my missus Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 waney won't hold back its not his way he will do whatever it takes to win every game he is inolved with. Through the fish-eyed lens of tear stained eyes I can barely define the shape of this moment in time(roger waters) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Dunbar said: I have a plan. If O'Loughlin is the best player available in his position then pick him. If he isn't, don't pick him. Yes, I think that’s the kindest way of putting it. Wane will do the business though, I’m sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Dunbar said: I was just about to type the same thing. If I had to choose success in one of the two for England I would go for the World Cup as it will be better for the sport overall but if I had to choose for me personally I would probably go for an Ashes win.... it has been the most important Rugby League for me personally for 35 years. I have to say I’m sick of building, planning for the next tournament and the wins always being round the corner. We’ve been doing that for the entire time I’ve watched the sport (27 years). Meantime Australia have slapped us all up and down the place from friendlies to World Cups. We should just plan to smash the beggars now, with the team we’ve got, the next time they’re in town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunsletgreenandgold Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Harry Stottle said: Bit of a contradiction Hunslet, how will he analyse the team if he plays people not expected to play the following year. I guess I meant more as a team in general rather than where individual players are falling short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Please no . And if he is the best option just after he’s retired then gawd help us . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 No he shouldn't get picked. A great player in his prime but way past that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Taylor Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Depends on the squad and if he's going for a younger team. If the above is the case, I would take him to help the next generation come through. Experience around training, and non match day activity can make a difference. Who else would you pick at 13? 2008 RFL Wakefield & District Young Volunteer of the Year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 33 minutes ago, Chris Taylor said: Who else would you pick at 13? It's very early days and lots could happen with form and availability but I think we have enough front row options to play Luke Thompson at 13 and have three big middle forwards on the park at all times. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Chris Taylor said: Who else would you pick at 13? Someone who has a chance of being fit for 3 tests. That probably rules out Stevie Ward as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 was never a great player in his prime, dedicated and charismatic but mediocre even in his 20s - the only way he should get to wear an England shirt in the ashes is if he orders one off line see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plow Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I dont think we should be sentimental with players. We should be planning for the WC. Winning the Ashes this year with players who will be available next year would be the best outcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said: was never a great player in his prime, dedicated and charismatic but mediocre even in his 20s - the only way he should get to wear an England shirt in the ashes is if he orders one off line Mediocre? Give your head a shake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, Damien said: Mediocre? Give your head a shake. ok in the post wigan grip days but never a great see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentleyman Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Past it at that level & too injury prone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackojacko Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Sadly have to concur that he's past it now, was a fantastic 13, possibly one of the last great ball-playing loose-forwards but unless we see a remarkable turn-around in form this year then I don't think he's shown that he's up to it over the past couple of seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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