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1 minute ago, Bleep1673 said:

Not sure how long you have watched RL, but when I was watching in the 1970/80's there were plenty of 7's tournaments that were very entertaining

The first match I can actually remember going to was in 1962.

It's each to their own ... yes, sevens, etc can be entertaining (as I said about this nines' event) but would I want to watch it regularly and would it give me the same excitement if my own team won it ?  NO

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7 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

Now, instead of a garbage "Majick Weekend", the Super League/ RFL might consent to one of these instead, imagine, Wigan v Saints v Warrington, Leeds v Wakefield v Castleford, Hull v KR v Toronto, Salford v Catalans v Toulouse, on the Saturday, then the knock outs on Sunday. There is a way of keeping all the teams playing on both days, Cup, Shield, & Plate games.

Offer it to Quest, C5, Premier Sports/Freesports, not Sky as they usually do, or the BBC who will put it on Red Button at 3am

No, no, no. 

The NRL Nines works well because it’s a bit of a pre-season jolly in the sun, before the real thing kicks off in a few weeks. The weather is good in early February in Australia, here, we’ve had a Storm of our own, Ciara and now, Dennis. 

As for playing it mid-season in the UK. It sounds all well and good but without any league points on offer and the potential to rest key players for a week, the novelty, if there is any in the first place, will die off quicker than that NQ Cowboys winger. I know Nines doesn’t suit every player type and some players that are considered “key” in the traditional format of the sport might not play but I have some wariness about the selection policy that some would likely take.

With the semi-finals of the Challenge Cup scheduled two weeks after our Magic Weekend this year and the opportunity to rest players ahead of it for those lucky few that make the Semi’s, I fear you’ll see a lack of big names and I can’t blame sides. 

Also, where is the prize money going to come from? The NRL equivalent offers $1m as a prize, I’m not sure where that money comes from but it’s impressive. Where would our prize money come from? We would need to offer some form of incentive to sides taking part, otherwise the potential for no reward for taking part and the opportunity to rest your key players, it’s a bit of a given that sides won’t take it seriously and then, fans wouldn’t either and the crowd would be poor. 

Magic Weekend has potential to be a key part of the calendar, in some respect it already is but there’s still a lot of potential there to live up to in terms of what’s on the field, what’s in the stands and the broadcasting of it. 

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4 minutes ago, RL does what Sky says said:

The first match I can actually remember going to was in 1962.

It's each to their own ... yes, sevens, etc can be entertaining (as I said about this nines' event) but would I want to watch it regularly and would it give me the same excitement if my own team won it ?  NO

Look at the crowds on the banks of the stadium in Perth, were they there 100% for the rugby? No. It was a social gathering, as should a 7's or 9's in this country. Gather together, and enjoy. I remember playing in the London League, and the highlight of the pre-season was the Hemel 7's, where we all got together and had a couple of game of rugby league, a beer and a barbeque, that was summer rugby.

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2 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said:

Magic Weekend has potential to be a key part of the calendar, in some respect it already is but there’s still a lot of potential there to live up to in terms of what’s on the field, what’s in the stands and the broadcasting of it. 

Majic is a garbage weekend that only benefits the host cities pubs, because no-one watches more than there own teams matches, which is why the stadium looks nearly empty (& also why RU doesn't attempt it, actually they do, and make it an international tournament), a 9's tournament in Majorca, or Perpignan, or Nantes, or Avignon, or Turin


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1 minute ago, Bleep1673 said:

Majic is a garbage weekend that only benefits the host cities pubs, because no-one watches more than there own teams matches, which is why the stadium looks nearly empty (& also why RU doesn't attempt it, actually they do, and make it an international tournament), a 9's tournament in Majorca, or Perpignan, or Nantes, or Avignon, or Turin

If that’s the case for Magic (not sure why you spell it that way), surely going out on day one will do the same for your 9s tournament?

I presume you mean taking a tournament abroad in the summer months, so expecting fans to travel during peak season on top of their season tickets and regular away travel that includes the possibility of travel to France and North America? I’m not sure you’d get a good crowd. 

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Watching some of the full match replays on NRL.com

Cody Ramsay for st.george looks like a future talent also.


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7 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said:

If that’s the case for Magic (not sure why you spell it that way), surely going out on day one will do the same for your 9s tournament?

If a team plays once in the day, the supporters will leave, and go to the local bars/restaurants/get in their cars and go home, after arriving 20 mins before their team is due to appear. If they are due to appear twice in the the same day, they will hang around, benefiting the stadiums franchises. Serve a customer once, and he will go elsewhere, keep a customer occupied, he will stay.


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Just now, Bleep1673 said:

If a team plays once in the day, the supporters will leave, and go to the local bars/restaurants/get in their cars and go home, after arriving 20 mins before their team is due to appear. If they are due to appear twice in the the same day, they will hang around, benefiting the stadiums franchises. Serve a customer once, and he will go elsewhere, keep a customer occupied, he will stay.

Surely based on your logic from your earlier posts, they’ll leave in between, no?

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13 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said:

If that’s the case for Magic (not sure why you spell it that way)

Majic, Magic, Majick, madgic, madjique


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1 minute ago, Hela Wigmen said:

Surely based on your logic from your earlier posts, they’ll leave in between, no?

If their team was due to reappear later that day, then, NO, especially if the stadiums security only allows once entry.


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Just now, Bleep1673 said:

If their team was due to reappear later that day, then, NO, especially if the stadiums security only allows once entry.

Duh, buy a ticket, sell it outside for entry at 30% price & get entry to another game, is that how it works?


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any uk players involved? Watkins? hall? Williams?


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22 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

Majic is a garbage weekend that only benefits the host cities pubs, because no-one watches more than there own teams matches, which is why the stadium looks nearly empty (& also why RU doesn't attempt it, actually they do, and make it an international tournament), a 9's tournament in Majorca, or Perpignan, or Nantes, or Avignon, or Turin

I don't know if anybody's told you but cities bid to host Magic and therefore the game makes money out of it.

Many watch only their own team, many don't. It remains a great concept and I imagine this year back in Newcastle will be one of the best attended yet.

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11 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said:

any uk players involved? Watkins? hall? Williams?

Whitehead played for Canberra not sure of any others. 

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39 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

Look at the crowds on the banks of the stadium in Perth, were they there 100% for the rugby? No. It was a social gathering, as should a 7's or 9's in this country. Gather together, and enjoy. I remember playing in the London League, and the highlight of the pre-season was the Hemel 7's, where we all got together and had a couple of game of rugby league, a beer and a barbeque, that was summer rugby.

I can go to social gatherings anywhere but where I also enjoy the entertainment. Why go where I don't ?

As I have said previously, it's all down to personal opinion but just because it's called Rugby League doesn't mean it is the style I SHOULD enjoy. The same with 20-20 cricket - yes it's called cricket but it is different to the Test Match style ... and would many who enjoy 20-20 always enjoy Test cricket ? I doubt it.

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1 minute ago, M j M said:

I don't know if anybody's told you but cities bid to host Magic and therefore the game makes money out of it.

"The Game" makes money out of it. How? Does Sky pay more money into the game because we have a Mad jick weekend? The cities that bid get the most out of it, our game gets F-all. We get zero extra exposure because Sky refuse to allow anyone else extra broadcasting rights, Sky allow us to have Madgique weekend when we do because there is a huge gap in their football schedule, so even the BBC Super League show is only allowed 4 minutes of each match-game each week, if we took back control of a tournament, we could sell the rights to benefit the game rather than Sky.


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48 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said:

any uk players involved? Watkins? hall? Williams?

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9s is dying a death, not getting stronger. Suggestions we should change our reasonably successful Magic Weekend (which incidentally the NRL has now copied) to a 9s tournament is crazy! Unless there is some kind of incentive from winning it then as per what we’ve just seen in the NRL it’ll be full of kids and fringe players. 

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1 hour ago, Hela Wigmen said:

The NRL Nines works well because it’s a bit of a pre-season jolly in the sun, before the real thing kicks off in a few weeks.

The NRL Nines also works because there's serious prize money at stake. It takes a fair wedge to get the NRL clubs to commit to anything outside the regular season and Origin.

If we can't get the money on the table, many NH clubs will decide to rest their stars if we tried the same thing.

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35 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

"The Game" makes money out of it. How? Does Sky pay more money into the game because we have a Mad jick weekend? The cities that bid get the most out of it, our game gets F-all. We get zero extra exposure because Sky refuse to allow anyone else extra broadcasting rights, Sky allow us to have Madgique weekend when we do because there is a huge gap in their football schedule, so even the BBC Super League show is only allowed 4 minutes of each match-game each week, if we took back control of a tournament, we could sell the rights to benefit the game rather than Sky.

You seem to have a limited grasp on how the game actually makes its money.

Sky makes money from showing the game on TV and pay the Super League clubs millions of pounds a year for the right. And yes, since Magic Weekend is bundled into the rights and is an event which rates well, yes Sky pay extra for it.

Cities and councils meanwhole pay Super League for the right to host Magic Weekend because of the fans and their spending money we bring to their towns.

If you find the concept of the game making money out of its commercial arrangements distasteful well that's fine but unfortunately professional RL is probably not the game for you.

I have no idea what you think you mean by "if we took back control" but given how ill-informed people who use that phrase have shown themselves to be recently I don't hold out much hope.

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3 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

The NRL Nines also works because there's serious prize money at stake. It takes a fair wedge to get the NRL clubs to commit to anything outside the regular season and Origin.

If we can't get the money on the table, many NH clubs will decide to rest their stars if we tried the same thing.

That’s exactly what I said in my post, however, it also works as it’s the first hit out of the year for many, whereas a planned summer competition here is, finances dependent, likely to see Super League sides choose to rest players. 

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7 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said:

That’s exactly what I said in my post, however, it also works as it’s the first hit out of the year for many, whereas a planned summer competition here is, finances dependent, likely to see Super League sides choose to rest players. 

I'm guessing that a larger percentage of SL/Championship/etc. clubs would really need extra money in their accounts than the relatively cashed-up NRL.


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6 minutes ago, M j M said:

You seem to have a limited grasp on how the game actually makes its money.

Sky makes money from showing the game on TV and pay the Super League clubs millions of pounds a year for the right. And yes, since Magic Weekend is bundled into the rights and is an event which rates well, yes Sky pay extra for it.

Cities and councils meanwhole pay Super League for the right to host Magic Weekend because of the fans and their spending money we bring to their towns.

If you find the concept of the game making money out of its commercial arrangements distasteful well that's fine but unfortunately professional RL is probably not the game for you.

I have no idea what you think you mean by "if we took back control" but given how ill-informed people who use that phrase have shown themselves to be recently I don't hold out much hope.

No, I do not find the game gaining commercially unpalatable, but i do find distasteful cities gaining from our game commercially, and then ignoring our game in-between, Newcastle is a prime example, as was Liverpool, who have been anti-RL since 1895 (City, Stanley, Huyton). Take a 9's tournament to somewhere that will appreciate it, in the summer, somewhere where they might be curious, Birmingham, Brighton, Reading or Bristol?


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1 minute ago, Bleep1673 said:

Birmingham, Brighton, Reading or Bristol?

Oh god, you have never heard of these places in England have you?


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