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I am old enough to remember when the players were skilful and the game was entertaining.

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

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2 minutes ago, DavidM said:

I wanna see Johnstone and Manfredi get through the season unscathed , then our options are looking really strong . Those are sure fire international standard with Makinson and JMc

Indeed. Imagine if come the Ashes we were selecting from a fit and firing Manfredi, Johnstone and Makinson for the wing spots... three fantastic wingers.

Would almost be enough to erase the memory of the last international window.

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

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2 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Indeed. Imagine if come the Ashes we were selecting from a fit and firing Manfredi, Johnstone and Makinson for the wing spots... three fantastic wingers.

Would almost be enough to erase the memory of the last international window.

Can one play centre ?

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Where's Kirmond's Pouch these days?

Tom Johnstone's a great talent, I just hope he has a prolonged, injury free run in Wakey's team to give him chance to challenge for an international spot. Sadly he does seem blighted with setbacks, some of which have been season finishing for him which is a great shame.

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18 hours ago, DavidM said:

Can one play centre ?

Why would you want to play an out and out winger in the centre position, for God's sake David you sound like Wayne Bennett I thought you were much better than that.  

Centre is probably the most technical position on the field, they control the wide defensive line, when to slide, when to go in early, when to hang back, send the winger back to field kicks, bring the winger in or tell him to stay out wide, and the offensive game they have to employ covers a multitude of disciplines which only the best can accomplish.

It has always puzzled me how and why so called very good coaches, see the centre position as a fill in, is it because in the modern game we have second row forwards who play out wide (seemingly permanently) it is assumed they can play centre, but the thing is they have a centre on the field who is doing all the organising for them, left on their own in that position either causes problems or shows up their inadequacies in that position, and the same can be said about Hardacre he is never a centre as long as he has a hole where the sun don't shine.

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18 hours ago, Dunbar said:

Indeed. Imagine if come the Ashes we were selecting from a fit and firing Manfredi, Johnstone and Makinson for the wing spots... three fantastic wingers.

Would almost be enough to erase the memory of the last international window.

Given our lack of quality centre's,even if fit they will struggle to make an impression.

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20 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

Given our lack of quality centre's,even if fit they will struggle to make an impression.

I think the days of a wingers contribution to a game being dependent on his centres quality are gone.

Look at the Roosters last night, Tupou was one of their most effective and dangerous players and yet his centre Crichton was relatively quiet and certainly the least dangerous of the Roosters backline.

Good wingers find a way to impact the game.

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

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12 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

I think the days of a wingers contribution to a game being dependent on his centres quality are gone.

Look at the Roosters last night, Tupou was one of their most effective and dangerous players and yet his centre Crichton was relatively quiet and certainly the least dangerous of the Roosters backline.

Good wingers find a way to impact the game.

OK, but had Tupou had quality inside of him do you not consider he would have had much more impact on the game, surely that goes without saying that the better the centre the better the winger should perform.

PS would Solomana and Minikin scored as many tries as they did without Shenton inside them, I don't  think so.

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1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

OK, but had Tupou had quality inside of him do you not consider he would have had much more impact on the game, surely that goes without saying that the better the centre the better the winger should perform.

PS would Solomana and Minikin scored as many tries as they did without Shenton inside them, I don't  think so.

Of course a quality centre helps a winger massively. My point was that a winger can contribute even without this.

From memory I don't remember Crichton offering Tupou quality ball but he still had a big game. In the modern game, it is just as likely that a stand off or full back will throw a scoring pass to a winger... of he may score from a kick.

My overall point is that England having two quality wingers is useful even if our centres were not world class.

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

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1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Who would be your contenders for the international team Dav?

Pretty slim pickings H,Watkins if he can find some form this year in the NRL,Gildart  & Percival are 2 but I have doubts about their physicality to play Test rugby,Connor is the most creative but is a revolving door in defence.

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