Bleep1673 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 The draw for the next round will be two pots, one with last seasons top 8, and another for the rest to ensure no two top 8 clubs play each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Chopra Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 7 hours ago, Bleep1673 said: The draw for the next round will be two pots, one with last seasons top 8, and another for the rest to ensure no two top 8 clubs play each other Where have you seen this? This has never been the case in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blues Ox Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 As has been mentioned, a pretty uninspiring draw with only 2 ties standing out for me, the Newcastle game and the Hull Kr V Leigh game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooleboy Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 28 minutes ago, Toby Chopra said: Remember in, say, the FA cup this is what happens too. The top clubs only come in once hundreds of of non-league and even pro L1 and L2 teams have whittled themselves down from around 400 teams to 20. And football has greater strength in depth, and fewer safety issues. I think the Challenge Cup broadly has it right, the only change I'd like to see is all 12 SL clubs coming in in the last 32. I think people are mistaken if they think the current draw structure is about protecting SL clubs - I don't think they care about that, it's simply about reducing the number of games the top clubs have to play. By reducing the number of games they have to play is just that, protecting them. Why should they have to play less rounds than the other League Clubs? At least in the FA Cup, the top two division Clubs have to win four rounds to reach the Semi Final, not like the top SL Clubs who only have to win two rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gooleboy said: By reducing the number of games they have to play is just that, protecting them. Why should they have to play less rounds than the other League Clubs? At least in the FA Cup, the top two division Clubs have to win four rounds to reach the Semi Final, not like the top SL Clubs who only have to win two rounds. The top two division clubs don’t start in round one in the FA Cup, something you said should happen in Rugby League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooleboy Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: The top two division clubs don’t start in round one in the FA Cup, something you said should happen in Rugby League. The SL Clubs should come in at the last 32, the Cup rounds would start before that as you know. The bottom line is the tournament has been made even more predictable than ever due to the rules of entry favouring the big Clubs, one of the reasons the attendance for the Final has gone down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Browny Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 The same people moaning about the cup structure now are the same people who moaned when the first few rounds were just Super League teams whacking Championship 1 and amateur sides 15 years ago. In fact, they are the same people who always moan. I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Chopra Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 42 minutes ago, Gooleboy said: By reducing the number of games they have to play is just that, protecting them. Why should they have to play less rounds than the other League Clubs? At least in the FA Cup, the top two division Clubs have to win four rounds to reach the Semi Final, not like the top SL Clubs who only have to win two rounds. What I mean is, I don't think the SL Clubs really care if they win the cup or not, they just don't want to have to commit to too many games, in an already overlong season. (yes, which they themselves put in place!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Chopra Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 40 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: The top two division clubs don’t start in round one in the FA Cup, something you said should happen in Rugby League. No, I said they should come in all together in round 4/5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Frightful Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 7 hours ago, SL17 said: Oldham did quite well v KR in 2016. Really? I don't recall that, how did the game go? Hull FC....The Sons of God... (Well, we are about to be crucified on Good Friday) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 11 hours ago, Bleep1673 said: Probably just the one, probably Fev V Hunslet, as the BBC only consider history when showing games, although on paper that might be a cracking match, PLEASE AUNTIE BEEB, GO TO WIDNES! For anyone who watched the games on screen on Sunday they will have been informed that this the 5th round will be aired by both BBC red button and Our League, The BBC do not start National Terrestrial coverage until round 6, so two games will be on again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 minute ago, SL17 said: KR lost. He's pulling yer plonker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Just Browny said: The same people moaning about the cup structure now are the same people who moaned when the first few rounds were just Super League teams whacking Championship 1 and amateur sides 15 years ago. In fact, they are the same people who always moan. Bingo. In fact, here's the Challenge Cup the first season I attended a game in it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Challenge_Cup Just look at all the amateur teams involved. I make it a whole … 1. I was at the Salford v Springfield game. Good one that. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Frightful Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 20 minutes ago, SL17 said: KR lost. Thanks for that. Might ask you again later. Hull FC....The Sons of God... (Well, we are about to be crucified on Good Friday) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalMrC Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 12 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Bingo. In fact, here's the Challenge Cup the first season I attended a game in it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Challenge_Cup Just look at all the amateur teams involved. I make it a whole … 1. I was at the Salford v Springfield game. Good one that. Wow the Halifax Hull semi final must have been an all time classic In another note the only thing I would change is that all the Superleague clubs come in at round 5 giving a bigger chance of a pay day for clubs that have made it through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 15 minutes ago, SL17 said: Until the 1993–94 season there were very few amateur clubs included in the cup, typically two. For part of the 1980s, and the 1992–93 season the cup was solely for professional clubs. The competition was then opened up to large numbers of amateur clubs as part of a deal between the Rugby Football League and British Amateur Rugby League Association over bridging the gap between the professional and amateur leagues. Aye, I remember. I saw Askam play at Carlisle in, I think 1992/3, and that would have been the first time I'd seen an amateur/pro match equivalent to the FA Cup style. There seems to be a bizarre idea that the Challenge Cup has always been open to all and always had amateur clubs having their day in the sun against the big boys. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilsontown Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 How many games do we think a team should need to win before lifting one of our major trophies? 4 seems too few to me. In the FA Cup, a team from the first two divisions needs to win 6 games to win the whole thing, that seems more reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Aye, I remember. I saw Askam play at Carlisle in, I think 1992/3, and that would have been the first time I'd seen an amateur/pro match equivalent to the FA Cup style. There seems to be a bizarre idea that the Challenge Cup has always been open to all and always had amateur clubs having their day in the sun against the big boys. So how long do you think amatuer clubs have been invited to take part in the CC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzzz65 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: So how long do you think amatuer clubs have been invited to take part in the CC? I've been watching RL since about 1962 and then (and many years before) there were 2 amateur clubs in the 1st round draw with the 30 pro clubs. The amateur clubs were the Yorkshire amateur and the Lancashire/Cumberland amateur cup winners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 21 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: So how long do you think amatuer clubs have been invited to take part in the CC? I make it, in the form we currently have, a little over twenty years. With some variations within that. I'd have more but it seems a lot of our clubs want to play as few games as physically possible each season. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKR AWAY DAYS Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 15 hours ago, GUBRATS said: HKR away , again , same as last year Sick of seeing you lot to be honest I went to the draw. Couldn't hear a thing. Was pleasantly surprised at the quality of the Guinness though it was bloody lovely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gav Wilson Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 34 minutes ago, gingerjon said: I make it, in the form we currently have, a little over twenty years. With some variations within that. I'd have more but it seems a lot of our clubs want to play as few games as physically possible each season. Heworth played pro opposition in the Challenge Cup a few times when I were knee high to a grasshopper in the 90's. Leigh, Bramley, Oldham and Batley IIRC. I was mascot for the Leigh game in 94! @GavWilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 55 minutes ago, gingerjon said: I make it, in the form we currently have, a little over twenty years. With some variations within that. I'd have more but it seems a lot of our clubs want to play as few games as physically possible each season. Please excuse me if I didn't pose the question clearly but your statement "There seems to be a bizarre idea that the Challenge Cup has always been open to all and always had amateur clubs having their day in the sun against the big boys." seems to imply that you consider it to be relativley new. Like Bazz above I cone from the same era and Amatuers in the cup has seemingly always been a fixture, albeit I am sure it goes back much further, again as Bazz stated there were 30 pro clubs, the addition of the 2 amatuers took it the correct divisible number of 32 for a knock out competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleep1673 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Toby Chopra said: Where have you seen this? This has never been the case in the past. I was joking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, HKR AWAY DAYS said: Sick of seeing you lot to be honest I went to the draw. Couldn't hear a thing. Was pleasantly surprised at the quality of the Guinness though it was bloody lovely... Quite a dubios late try to HKR denied us victory last year if you recall, honestly Leigh would be better concentrating on the League this season and not taking this game to seriously, as I suspect a lot of Revers fans would probably have the same feeling in respect for their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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