North but south Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 20 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: You are mixing up tv coverage of a single club with international games. No just generally surprised to see it advertised at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 15 hours ago, North but south said: I'm currently in mexico and was surprised to see the six nations advertised on their local tv. RU is selling to countries with no domestic rugby, or any displayed anywhere but we seem to struggle to sell coverage in France for a French team. Be interested to know which channel etc that is. EDIT Answering my own question. It's ESPN who have been covering Argentinian RU (and now Super Rugby) for a while as well. And, here's a handy page on the very professional Six Nations site about international broadcasters https://www.sixnationsrugby.com/tv/ Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer Bang Wool Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 16 hours ago, North but south said: I'm currently in mexico and was surprised to see the six nations advertised on their local tv. RU is selling to countries with no domestic rugby, or any displayed anywhere but we seem to struggle to sell coverage in France for a French team. A soccer mad country. There’s a reason why none of the major us sports leagues haven’t expanded to Mexico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedfordshire Bronco Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, ShropshireBull said: Please don't shift this comment to other section but seeing how that other code is about to murder it's exposure by shunting it's annual international tournament onto a paywall, this is a perfect time to bang some heads together and get a regular international tournament on FTA. Imagine in 2021 6 nations gone to SKY and the replacement is the RL four nations on BBC afternoons over April/May with NZ, Aus, Tonga and us.... Maybe even stick Wales in for a five nations..... Never happen of course but just imagine..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said: Imagine in 2021 6 nations gone to SKY and the replacement is the RL four nations on BBC afternoons over April/May with NZ, Aus, Tonga and us.... Maybe even stick Wales in for a five nations..... Never happen of course but just imagine..... Hang on a sec. We're playing internationals in April now, are we? Next year. The year of a World Cup? There's a reason it's not going to happening and, for once, it's not because the RL authorities are wrong. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North but south Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 11 hours ago, SL17 said: Whereabouts in Mexico are you? South Quintana Roo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Chopra Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 48 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said: We don't need to worry about 2021 with the World Cup but that becomes more important to show FTA Broadcasters, who will be looking at losing a month's worth of rugby content (who also lost November Internationals), that we have something to offer in 2022. A yearly comp between England, France, and the two Southern Hemisphere teams who don't get to play Australia and the Kiwis in the Oceanic Cup. Every November, 3 fixtures plus the final for one month of FTA Rugby League in UK and France. In a time when TV Channels are crying out for content and coming off the 2021 World Cup it's the best time. I am not fussed about getting oceans of cash but if Union decide to shoot themselves not in the foot but in the head then we should be aiming to replace them. This is a good shout. We're not going to get an annual commitment to get Austrlaia or NZ over here every year unless we can offer more money than the NRL pays... that's a long time off. But we probably could get them over once every 4 years, and invite pacific island teams in the other years. Basically we need to give up on touring (except world cup) and instead host a tournment here every autumn and get commitments for 5 years so we can take that to a broadcaster. It wouldn't be a money spinner the first time round, but we need to cement its place in the calender, then it could grow in value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilko Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 On 01/03/2020 at 17:16, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: Why can’t we make any decent tv money from our international game. Our Four Nations tournament had big attendances and good ratings, surely tv companies should be shelling out cash to show the tournament. Sky are reportedly bidding £300m to get coverage of the RU Six Nations, why can’t we even get say 10% of that figure for a RL Four Nations? We should be selling TV rights in a four year cycle ending with the world cup. But to achieve this you need a four year schedule of confirmed international fixtures which this sport never has. So it cant make big money and that is the sports problem in a nutshell. It needs an international body with power to drive the sport globally but instead the NRL control most of the scheduling of Australia fixtures and the RFL here. Until they relinquish power we'll remain what we are, a regional competition both here and in Australia. No other sport hypes up a regional contest (state of origin) as the best it has to offer. Its all about being global and we should have grasped this 25 years ago. Rugby Union created "World Rugby"in 1999 and has a Sevens tour playing last week in Los Angeles, just had a World Cup in Japan and is making money from international rights with a combined effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RugbyLeagueGeek Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, scotchy1 said: I agree entirely with this. International RL and its growth seems entirely predicated on england beating Australia and suddenlyballnits problems are solved. In reality it will be a bit of a boost, not a game changer. The NRL arent going to relinquish that power until they are forced. They only way to force them is to create a viable NH international game that gets more money and more eyeballs. We need a proper competition including England and the other European nations every year, we need a proper pathway to professionalism for Irish, welsh, Scottish italian players, we need a 9s series to grow nations like spain, Jamaica, greece, the Balkan nations. We need dispensations and encouragement to get players from these nations playing pro RL, we need to be playing international RL regularly, repetitively. International RL isnt just going to happen we need fo create it, even if we need to drag Australia along Agree completely with this. I honestly can't see us getting regular annual tournaments organised against Pacific nations, because ultimately the NRL/ARL are their paymasters. We should aim to become masters of our own destiny and create an annual European/NH comp. An annual mid-season Euro Championships would be competitive IMO, providing there was a big event (World cup, Confeds Cup, GB series) to act as a selection carrot that would encourage players to put their hands up to play in it. And it would be heavily reliant on heritage players (just as Tonga currently are), but that wouldn't bother me. The BBC viewing figures for England v Scotland in the 4 Nations show that the wider public isn't as obsessed about England playing NZ and Australia as the rugby league public are. And it also shows that they aren't bothered about heritage players. It's this wider public that we need to attract in order to increase our audience and develop a more commercially attractive sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 If Australia won’t play in a tournament why not replace them with an Australian invitational 13, like Tonga did last year. There are enough Australians playing in Super League to make up a decent team that’d probably win the competition still. Then we can guarantee the tournament would be on every year, Four Nations out of England, Australia, New Zealand, Tonga and France. If we can guarantee a Four Nations tournament will take place every year, with England in it, I’m sure within a few years it’d be bringing in big tv money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RugbyLeagueGeek Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: If Australia won’t play in a tournament why not replace them with an Australian invitational 13, like Tonga did last year. There are enough Australians playing in Super League to make up a decent team that’d probably win the competition still. Then we can guarantee the tournament would be on every year, Four Nations out of England, Australia, New Zealand, Tonga and France. If we can guarantee a Four Nations tournament will take place every year, with England in it, I’m sure within a few years it’d be bringing in big tv money. Too convoluted for me. Exiles didn't work and the public would know it wasn't a full international team, so that would immediately devalue the competition IMO. The Tonga situation is completely different, as that is the full Tonga team in all but name, whereas an Aussie Exiles team would be a very pale imitation of the full Australia team. Playing full internationals against Wales, Scotland, Ireland, France et al is going to help those countries develop as well. I would much rather we did this than a convoluted Exiles type concept. But it would need that major Autumn tournament to act as a carrot to help get players to play for the other home nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RugbyLeagueGeek Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said: I worry that a four nations that England always spank the others would have less value but we all agree a four week international tournament post 2021 on fta is the way to go, representing a rare outbreak of concensus for this forum Yeah I appreciate that is a concern, which is why there would have to be the carrot of a major tournament later that year in order to entice players to make themselves available (and this is where GB could prove valuable in non world cup or confederations cup years). If all the best heritage players put their hands up for Scotland, Ireland and Wales, coupled with England not being able to call on their NRL stars, then I reckon this would be a big leveller. Remember, Scotland in the 4 Nations gave England a competitive game. If we'd have had a Euro nations tournament last Summer, with people like McIllorum, LMS, Philbin, Amor, Singleton etc all making themselves available for Ireland in a bid to get selected for GB (let's not start the GB vs GB&I debate here...), then I'm sure they would have provided England with a competitive game. This would simultaneously boost the other home nations, providing more regular meaningful internationals, and would also help to provide legitimacy to the concept of a GB squad would hopefully be reflective of the best players in the Euro Nations tournament. It's a pipe dream unfortunately, because the short-sightedness of the SL means we won't get rid of the sodding loop fixtures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RugbyLeagueGeek Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 16 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said: a rare outbreak of concensus Don't spread it around. Get yourself self-isolated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my missus Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 On 01/03/2020 at 18:21, scotchy1 said: The 6 nations has been played for more than 100 years The 4 nations was played 5 times in 8 years and then done the 6 nations started in 2000 before that it was 5 nations and before that the home nations. Through the fish-eyed lens of tear stained eyes I can barely define the shape of this moment in time(roger waters) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, scotchy1 said: But a regular comp no? Only once failed to be 'completed' since 1947 (although that could change this year) and that was in 1972 owing to security problems in Ireland. Other than that, annual, and at the same time every year, except for two world wars, since 1898. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 All these arguments for continuity were brought out for the TriNations and then 4Nations, and we made a good decision to go for it. We then mucked about with it and had years off etc. and then we abandoned it without delivering the 8 team comp that was meant to replace it. 1 step forward, 5 back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 I genuinely don't think anything will change majorly until we have an international window in each hemisphere every single year. We should be guaranteeing 3 or 4 home games every single year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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