Jump to content
scotchy1

What would you pay for?

Recommended Posts

The game is obviously going to suffer from the coronavirus and the knock on effects but it needs to keep the money flowing.

If we take the normal SL, Championship CC etc 13s ticket and beer revenue stream off the table as that is dependant on the response to the virus,.and is largely already budgeted for.

What can be done, individually as clubs and collectively as competitions/the sport to bring in money? Where can they get money from?

I've seen ideas for other businesses of buying gift cards to spend later to allow the cashflow to keep running, maybe clubs could do something similar 

Perhaps a way clubs can let fans buy tickets, beer etc that they would be buying and cash them in on a later date. Or even cash them in for something else.

What could the game or clubs do to make you part with your money that isnt going to see a 13 a side game in the league or CC?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The biggest thing that can be done is reduce costs. Players, and in particular big earners, should be taking big pay cuts. People in all walks of life are losing their jobs, taking pay cuts and unpaid leave. Our players should be no different. 

Edited by Damien
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

One way i suppose is by buying merchandise where possible through the clubs. At the moment our club (York) haven't advised on any other method but would hope they would engage with fans if they were struggling. Being part-time I am hoping that we will be ok as alot of the players wont be paid playing bonuses etc and being part-time helps the burden. It wont be easy and will be only get harder the more the weeks pass by. Not sure if covered by insurance or not

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 minutes ago, Damien said:

The biggest thing that can be done is reduce costs. Players, and in particular big earners, should be taking big pay cuts. People in all walks of life are losing their jobs, taking pay cuts and unpaid leave. Our players should be no different. 

All unfortunate, yet true.

This would be a way to improve the finances of clubs in this difficult period. 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 minutes ago, Southerner80 said:

All unfortunate, yet true.

This would be a way to improve the finances of clubs in this difficult period. 

 

It's just being practical unfortunately. A players £120,000 a year contract is worth fiddly squat if his club goes to the wall. Ditto for nearly every RL player. Even if all wages were capped to the equivalent of £25,000 per annum for a couple of months it would save an awful lot of outgoings in the short term. Banks have made it clear they will be understanding if this causes issues for some players. Its harsh but many are having it far worse. Money could even be set aside from future TV deals in the future to compensate. What is clear is that prompt action to cut costs will lessen much more serious issues down the line.

Edited by Damien
  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
30 minutes ago, Smudger06 said:

Start a Rugby League Live video gaming league. eSports. 

This. I've been a big fan of the potential Esports for some time. RL should have already started looking at an Esports league IMO.

Having players representing their clubs fulfilling the SL/Champs/L1 fixtures (in the short term) and broadcast live on platforms such as Twitch could be an easy earner.

Probably not going to get huge sums of money from it but charging people a £1 to watch wouldn't be too much of a stretch would it?

Plenty could be done with this. Fans vs Players. Teams of players etc.. current vs former players. Internationals..

link it to the social media channels and RFL/SL websites .. 

Edited by EastLondonMike
  • Like 3
  • Thanks 1

Newham Dockers - Champions 2013. Rugby League For East London. 100% Cockney Rugby League!

Twitter: @NewhamDockersRL - Get following!

www.newhamdockers.co.uk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
34 minutes ago, Damien said:

The biggest thing that can be done is reduce costs. Players, and in particular big earners, should be taking big pay cuts. People in all walks of life are losing their jobs, taking pay cuts and unpaid leave. Our players should be no different. 

Except the biggest cost isnt players and players still have their mortgages to pay etc.

They also are fulfilling their contract. There is probably an argument that clubs could get out of the contracts but then players of course would be able to go to other clubs

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, EastLondonMike said:

This. I've been a big fan of the potential Esports for some time. RL should have already started looking at an Esports league IMO.

Having players representing their clubs fulfilling the SL/Champs/L1 fixtures (in the short term) and broadcast live on platforms such as Twitch could be an easy earner.

Probably not going to get huge sums of money from it but charging people a £1 to watch wouldn't be too much of a stretch would it?

Plenty could be done with this. Fans vs Players. Teams of players etc.. current vs former players. Internationals..

link it to the social media channels and RFL/SL websites .. 

You want people to pay to watch people play a game that’s four years old?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said:

You want people to pay to watch people play a game that’s four years old?

Yep. The last version of RL live was launch in 2017, and a new version due this year.. whats the problem with a game thats a few years old?

https://influencermarketinghub.com/growth-of-esports-stats/

 

  • Like 1

Newham Dockers - Champions 2013. Rugby League For East London. 100% Cockney Rugby League!

Twitter: @NewhamDockersRL - Get following!

www.newhamdockers.co.uk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

Except the biggest cost isnt players and players still have their mortgages to pay etc.

They also are fulfilling their contract. There is probably an argument that clubs could get out of the contracts but then players of course would be able to go to other clubs

£25,000 is a living wage for many anyway and highly paid players should have savings. As I said banks have said they will be understanding on this and they have been quite clear.

Players wages are huge costs and contracts are worth nothing if they lead to clubs going bust. Everyone in all walks of life have contracts but its not stopped people being laid off, forced to take unpaid leave etc. That goes for many fans too. Much bigger companies than Rugby League PLC are doing this. Whatever fans can do, who are suffering much hardship anyway, is a drop in the ocean compared to players. Saving our clubs is quite distinct to supporting the present lifestyle of players and continuing as normal when things are anything but. 

Players can't go to other clubs if it's a sport wide based decision. Yes fans can do their part but so too can players.

Edited by Damien
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Damien said:

£25,000 is a living wage for many anyway and highly paid players should have savings. As I said banks have said they will be understanding on this and they have been quite clear.

Players wages are huge costs and contracts are worth nothing if they lead to clubs going bust. Everyone in all walks of life have contracts but its not stopped people being laid off, forced to take unpaid leave etc. That goes for many fans too. Much bigger companies than Rugby League PLC are doing this. Whatever fans can do, who are suffering much hardship anyway, is a drop in the ocean compared to players. Savings clubs is quite distinct to supporting the present lifestyle of players and continuing as normal when things are anything but. 

Players can't go to other clubs if it's a sport wide based decision. Yes fans can do their part but so too can players.

Going from 250k a year to 25k a year with no notice isnt an easy thing. People will have budgets and mortgages and car payments etc. 

Contracts are worth nothing if clubs dont stick to them either. If a player feels they can get more elsewhere why would they stay with a club paying them even less?

Also why should a player earning even 30k take a 5k pay cut to save Simon Moran, or Paul Caddick money. These people can easily afford to pay these wages out their back pocket.

If players should have savings to tide them over so should the richer businessmen who own the business they work for. 

There are a lot of very rich people who will not be affected in any meaningful way asking a lot of poorer people to go without right now, and they are pretending it's the right thing to do. Eamon McManus will not struggle because of this. Nor should his employees. 

Edited by scotchy1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

Going from 250k a year to 25k a year with no notice isnt an easy thing. People will have budgets and mortgages and car payments etc. 

Contracts are worth nothing if clubs dont stick to them either. If a player feels they can get more elsewhere why would they stay with a club paying them even less?

Also why should a player earning even 30k take a 5k pay cut to save Simon Moran, or Paul Caddick money. These people can easily afford to pay these wages out their back pocket.

If players should have savings to tide them over so should the richer businessmen who own the business they work for. 

There are a lot of very rich people who will not be affected in any meaningful way asking a lot of poorer people to go without right now, and they are pretending it's the right thing to do. Eamon McManus will not struggle because of this. Nor should his employees. 

Well the thread you started is pointless then if that is what you think. If this is what you think its odd that you expect fans who are struggling more to subsidise players. May as well end the thread now as the owners can pay for everything. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Damien said:

Well the thread you started is pointless then if that is what you think. If this is what you think its odd that you expect fans who are struggling more to subsidise players. May as well end the thread now as the owners can pay for everything. 

I haven't in any way said the fans should subsidise them.

What I suggested is that the businesses can change and adapt to ensure that they survive not off the backs of players or donations from fans.

What this thread asks is what the businesses can do to earn new money to wash their own face. It's the complete opposite of what you are suggesting

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

I haven't in any way said the fans should subsidise them.

What I suggested is that the businesses can change and adapt to ensure that they survive not off the backs of players or donations from fans.

What this thread asks is what the businesses can do to earn new money to wash their own face. It's the complete opposite of what you are suggesting

The game cant earn enough new money top wash its face. It barely washes its face under normal circumstances. Things like fans buying tickets, beer etc and cashing them in on a later date is precisely asking fans, its donations by a different name. It also reduces income down the line. All fine but a drop in the ocean.

Your initial line is about keeping the money flowing. That can be done in two ways, increasing income and reducing costs. It should be quite clear how the sport cannot increase income and how in fact income is going to decrease. That leaves reducing costs or government loan of some sort. Anything else is just head in the sand stuff.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
30 minutes ago, Damien said:

The game cant earn enough new money top wash its face. It barely washes its face under normal circumstances. Things like fans buying tickets, beer etc and cashing them in on a later date is precisely asking fans, its donations by a different name. It also reduces income down the line. All fine but a drop in the ocean.

Your initial line is about keeping the money flowing. That can be done in two ways, increasing income and reducing costs. It should be quite clear how the sport cannot increase income and how in fact income is going to decrease. That leaves reducing costs or government loan of some sort. Anything else is just head in the sand stuff.

Yes it can, it has done as a fully pro sport for 24 years.

Fans buying beer is  not  donation. Its quite clearly a transaction. 

If the sport cannot increase income then we can all pack up and go home because it is already dead. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
50 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

Yes it can, it has done as a fully pro sport for 24 years.

Fans buying beer is  not  donation. Its quite clearly a transaction. 

If the sport cannot increase income then we can all pack up and go home because it is already dead. 

The sport hasn't faced a crisis like this as a fully pro sport. You seem to be missing the fact that income will decline substantially with no matches, far more than any increase in income from a few fans buying beer tokens. Head in the sand delusion.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

RL clubs will be eligible to apply for the loan money just announced.

Stated as £330 billion, but there is no limited to the fund, the govt will borrow more if required.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-chancellor-government-loan-business-economy-rishi-sunak-a9407381.html

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Damien said:

The sport hasn't faced a crisis like this as a fully pro sport. You seem to be missing the fact that income will decline substantially with no matches, far more than any increase in income from a few fans buying beer tokens. Head in the sand delusion.

Income will decline much more if the clubs sit on their hands, do nothing, and expect the players to miss mortgage payments to keep Ken Davy is Caribbean holidays.

I fully understand income will reduce, this is why I'm suggesting they find new forms of income.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Hela Wigmen said:

You don’t get these esports lot playing Fifa 2017, do you?

And?


Newham Dockers - Champions 2013. Rugby League For East London. 100% Cockney Rugby League!

Twitter: @NewhamDockersRL - Get following!

www.newhamdockers.co.uk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Damien said:

The biggest thing that can be done is reduce costs. Players, and in particular big earners, should be taking big pay cuts. People in all walks of life are losing their jobs, taking pay cuts and unpaid leave. Our players should be no different. 

There aren’t that many big earners in SL though, a lot of them could earn as much money on a building site. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Bottom line is , " stay calm " , if you can just sit tight , don't ask for a refund on your ST , continue to support lottery and supporters associations , if you can afford it continue with the odd merchandise purchase 

Leigh are looking at increasing content on their online TV , and asking more to sign up 

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 minutes ago, Eddie said:

There aren’t that many big earners in SL though, a lot of them could earn as much money on a building site. 

The average wage was just under 70k years ago, long before the marquee and exemption days. There are plenty of big earners.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.



×
×
  • Create New...