The Great Dane Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 7 hours ago, Davo5 said: For 20 yrs !! Up to a couple of years ago the Storm were still receiving extra money from the NRL on top of the grants the other clubs got. The Storm only got extra funding from the NRL as part of News ltd agreeing to sell the club in 2012/13, and it was only a few million a year for a few years. So the way you have framed it is incredibly disingenuous. 7 hours ago, Davo5 said: The Titans were bailed out by the NRL a couple of years ago after running up large debts,so your argument that it's all the Sydney clubs fault the league hasn't expanded is rubbish I never said that it was all the Sydney clubs fault, that is just a straw man. The Sydney clubs are definitely one of the biggest obstacles to expansion and general growth though, and the easiest problem to fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Dane Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 7 hours ago, MEXICO WILL PAY said: The NRL salary cap is $9.6 million, which means 130% is about $13 million. $13 million x 16 clubs = $208 million / year. But the NRL's TV deal is $360 million / year. What other sports league in the world has 42% of their TV deal going somewhere other than the clubs that are playing in the league? None. The NRL isn't just a sports league though, it's the governing body for the whole sport of RL in Australia. That $360 million a year isn't created just by the Telstra Premiership and that money has to fund the whole sport not just the Telstra Premiership and the clubs in the Telstra Premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Dane Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Sports Prophet said: The same argument could be said that the NRL are not running a tight enough ship or definitely are playing the players too much. I could equally suggest the clubs are deserving of more than the income they receive. There is no argument to confirm I am wrong. I think the fact that they had too effectively steal it from other parts of the game suggests that you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEXICO WILL PAY Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 3 hours ago, The Great Dane said: The NRL isn't just a sports league though, it's the governing body for the whole sport of RL in Australia. That $360 million a year isn't created just by the Telstra Premiership and that money has to fund the whole sport not just the Telstra Premiership and the clubs in the Telstra Premiership. The ARLC is the governing body for RL in Australia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Rugby_League_Commission The NRL's TV deal only includes NRL properties. Other properties, such as tests, are owned by the ARLC and they have their own TV deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlno1 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 On 02/04/2020 at 17:32, The Great Dane said: This is so ironic considering the side of the argument that you on. On the back of a vision of a national competition the NSWRL went around the country and NZ murdering local clubs and traditional competitions, but now that it's their turn to give up some of their traditions and clubs to build a brighter future and achieve that vision they're having none of it. Not at all. For starters they didn't go around murdering local competitions, those decisions were made by the management and voting process of the local competitions themselves as the league put out tenders for new clubs. In 1981 Newcastle decided against joining the Sydney competition as they were happy with their local competition. My point was in support of Sydney being the bedrock of Australian RL and thus where the money and support is that drives the game. Clubs come to Sydney not the other way around. Look at the two competitions during 1997. The ARL comp could easily have continued on whilst the SL version was dead in the water, how many more years could it have lasted? Why was it on the nose? Because it was soulless franchise system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlno1 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 On 02/04/2020 at 17:36, The Great Dane said: The AFL are also constantly trying to relocate or merge more of their smaller clubs in Melbourne. Just Google AFL relocation, there're regularly stories about it. No they are not infact they fund the weaker clubs more then they do the stronger ones to maintain balance. It's usually slow media weeks when these stories come out such as the Kangaroos one this week in Melbourne from Caroline Wilson who was trying to be relevant for her TV show. The President and CEO of North shut it down quick smart. Many times in the media you will hear Eddie McGuire, president of Collingwood, the leagues powerful Melbourne club, say all the clubs add to the rich tapestry of the game and he doesn't want any to go. https://www.triplem.com.au/story/the-afls-payments-to-each-club-have-been-revealed-21201 How much each club was paid by the AFL in 2016: 1. GWS Giants $21,548,374 2. St Kilda $18,566,589 3. Western Bulldogs $17,610,181 4. Brisbane Lions $17,532,922 5. Gold Coast Suns $17,194,594 6. North Melbourne $15,022,303 7. Melbourne $14,799,452 8. Port Adelaide $13,206,665 9. Sydney Swans $12,488,957 10. Richmond $12,358,925 11. Essendon $11,914,715 12. West Coast Eagles $11,703,240 13. Hawthorn $11,614,683 14. Carlton $11,607,942 15. Collingwood $11,304,689 16. Geelong Cats $10,787,483 17. Fremantle Dockers $10,563,307 18. Adelaide Crows $10,553,565 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlno1 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 On 02/04/2020 at 21:43, The Great Dane said: There're some very dodgy assumptions in here, but the big ones are that A. population growth in the immediate area will result in proportionate growth in support for the local club, and B. that you need an NRL club in every suburb to maintain market share in Sydney. You talk like an accountant, as if you are merging or relocating two businesses to grow market share, placing franchises around the country. Only problem is sport has what business doesn't have emotion, passion, tradition all highly valuable things that attach people to the club or sport they love. For an example, watch the excellent series on Sunderalnd FC, "Sunderland 'til I die", the emotion and love for the club you see from supporters there is completely non existent in business. They don't make a profit either should they be relocated from the crowded North East market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlno1 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 On 02/04/2020 at 23:19, scotchy1 said: Are these clubs who have needed bailing out with 130% of their salary cap coming from the NRL going to survive when they get less as the NRL income is divided between 18 clubs? Just as in the AFL a 17th and 18th team would need a 9th game and thus more money from broadcasters. It is the broadcasters who don't want another game. They have too much say it should be driven by the league, just as the AFL did. The AFL claim their 9th game is worth 57million a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlno1 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 On 03/04/2020 at 00:23, Eddie said: You’ve already said that introducing teams from Perth and Adelaide will increase TV revenue, so their tv income would go up even though the % share is slightly less. Adelaide is no value. It's a state obsessed with two massive AFL clubs. Plus they have a strong 10 team local comp which has over 100yrs of tradition, there's that word again. The GF in this comp attracts over 30,000. The city has very minimal forecasted population growth. So not many expats moving there unlike Perth (from eastern states) or Qld and NSW (from southern states). I believe the Storm should play a few games there or they should have a team in the NSW Cup and build from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlno1 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 On 03/04/2020 at 03:04, AB90 said: Why an earth would the NRL expand if the TV revenue from the expanded clubs/additional game does not increase with it? That's why they are considering expansion in the first place (to increase the broadcast revenue). Not spread what they currently have to another club or two. The nrl gets roughly $1.7m per each game from broadcasters so if you add another two teams (I.e 1 extra game) you would expect the TV deal to increase at the very least by that figure ($41m per year). All very rough numbers. Exactly, like any other sports around the world. New clubs equals more revenue. Here's the kicker, News Ltd don't want another game so they have said we can have one new team, Brisbane #2. How kind of them to look after us like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlno1 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 On 03/04/2020 at 00:53, Davo5 said: They will need propped up financially for years,Melbourne were for 2 decades. As would an Adelaide club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlno1 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 On 03/04/2020 at 05:14, Blind side johnny said: I know nothing about the structure of Australian broadcasting but does the quadrupling in TV revenues derive from NSW and Queensland viewers alone or from viewers in other states? This data could significantly inform any decisions about outward expansion I believe. The irony is that RL is top dog or has a presence in most cities in Australia. There is an obsession with Adelaide and Perth, granted I think league could have a team in Perth but really why does Adelaide make or break us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlno1 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 On 03/04/2020 at 05:14, Blind side johnny said: I know nothing about the structure of Australian broadcasting but does the quadrupling in TV revenues derive from NSW and Queensland viewers alone or from viewers in other states? This data could significantly inform any decisions about outward expansion I believe. The growth is strongly due to the game freeing itself from News Ltd's ownership. For 15 years they undersold the game. They basically owned the game and then sold it to itself, surprisingly very little profit was made. Odd that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlno1 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 23 hours ago, The Great Dane said: People keep saying this like it's a bad thing. Firstly it's inevitable, every business requires investment to start up and establish themselves. But more importantly, the vast majority of the money that went to establishing the Storm came from their owners New ltd, and not the NRL, so they weren't anymore of a burden on the league than any other club. The irony is that the Melbourne Storm were a merge of Perth Reds, Adelaide Rams and the Hunter Mariners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlno1 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Australian TV ratings from 2019 https://tvblackbox.com.au/sports/2019/10/8/2019-nrl-season-by-the-numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlno1 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 TV RADIO PUBLISHING NEWS BRANDS PODCAST SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT MORE NRL Grand Final has lowest audience of the decade with 2.64m ByMediaweek Posted on October 7, 2019 • Last weekend’s AFL grand final had a 26 year low with a national audience of 2.939 million viewers SHARE TWEET SHARE EMAIL The 2019 NRL grand final featuring the Sydney Roosters and the Canberra Raiders on Channel 9 had the lowest national grand final numbers this decade with 2.641 million viewers across metro and regional audiences. The five-city metro audience included Sydney 832k, Melbourne 320k, Brisbane 534k, Adelaide 87k and Perth 93k totalling 1.866 million which is the lowest since 2003. It is a drop off from last year’s NRL grand final featuring the Melbourne Storm and Sydney Roosters, which was watched by an average of 3.03 million people nationally and 2.141 million viewers in capital cities, including 895k in Sydney, 551k in Melbourne, and 488k in Brisbane. This continues a trend of declining TV audiences for NRL grand finals since the 2016 grand final between Cronulla and Melbourne. In comparison, Last weekend’s AFL grand final had a 26 year low with a national audience of 2.939 million viewers on Seven. Brocken down into metro markets: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlno1 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 The Melbourne Storm do benefit from their strong QLD connection. Including the fact they have had some of the greatest players, Qlders, to play the game in the last 40 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlno1 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 13 hours ago, The Great Dane said: I think the fact that they had too effectively steal it from other parts of the game suggests that you are wrong. They haven't stolen money it was reported this way to feed a story about the so called missing money, $10 million infact. The CBA doesn't require the money (estimated $5 million a year) to be placed into the fund until the end of the final year of the five-year agreement in 2022. https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/th...fore-accepting-a-pay-cut-20200329-p54f3g.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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