iffleyox Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 34 minutes ago, scotchy1 said: Recovery is the issue really. There is a limit to how much risk can be minimised and for how long. totally agree, but the question then is how much risk, and where in the economy, you're going to ask people to tolerate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Marty Funkhouser said: Insane comment by Dorries for many reasons. How about the same coming from Professor Neil Ferguson (British epidemiologist and professor of mathematical biology, who specialises in the patterns of spread of infectious disease in humans and animals)? On relaxing the current restrictions, Prof Ferguson said: "What we really need is the ability to put something in their place. If we want to open schools, let people get back to work, then we need to keep transmission down in another manner. "And I should say, it's not going to be going back to normal. We will have to maintain some level of social distancing, a significant level of social distancing, probably indefinitely until we have a vaccine available." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52308201 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronicler of Chiswick Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Some experts are now saying that social distancing will have to continue for a year, don't know where that'd leave us if it's the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, Chronicler of Chiswick said: Some experts are now saying that social distancing will have to continue for a year, don't know where that'd leave us if it's the case. 2 metres apart, presumably! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Players won’t be keeping two metres apart or wearing masks if they cannot conduct their work doing so. That’s the easy bit. The hard bit is stadia. It’s been suggested that large stadia may have to at least initially operate with restricted capacities due to the risks of transmission. Would that apply to lower risk 10k grounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robthegasman Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I see the Government have announced a further 3 week lockdown. And my feeling is that in another 3 weeks it will be a further 3 weeks then a further 3 weeks,then a further 3 weeks and so on and so forth.And I foresee that very soon this country will lose it’s patience especially when people are skint with no money.And when that day comes I see this country exploding into flames because of the anger and frustration. I think in all honesty we can forget about rugby league this year because I think there are going to be far bigger and more pressing issues away from rugby league coming very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADREDNIGE Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Robthegasman said: I see the Government have announced a further 3 week lockdown. And my feeling is that in another 3 weeks it will be a further 3 weeks then a further 3 weeks,then a further 3 weeks and so on and so forth.And I foresee that very soon this country will lose it’s patience especially when people are skint with no money.And when that day comes I see this country exploding into flames because of the anger and frustration. I think in all honesty we can forget about rugby league this year because I think there are going to be far bigger and more pressing issues away from rugby league coming very soon. Yer can't say that on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robthegasman Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, MADREDNIGE said: Yer can't say that on here! Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Funkhouser Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: How about the same coming from Professor Neil Ferguson (British epidemiologist and professor of mathematical biology, who specialises in the patterns of spread of infectious disease in humans and animals)? On relaxing the current restrictions, Prof Ferguson said: "What we really need is the ability to put something in their place. If we want to open schools, let people get back to work, then we need to keep transmission down in another manner. "And I should say, it's not going to be going back to normal. We will have to maintain some level of social distancing, a significant level of social distancing, probably indefinitely until we have a vaccine available." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52308201 How about it? Mr Ferguson is an "expert" who has previous form for economic destruction when his "modelling" resulted in the needless slaughtering of 6 million animals in 2001. He is certainly practiced at covering his bets with his recent pronouncements covering anything from his doomsday non intervention 40 million worldwide deaths to his low full intervention estimate of 1.9 million deaths. We are currently running (with a slowing rate) at 0.3% and 6.6% of those totals respectively. So Mr Ferguson is currently 99.7% or 93.4% out.. Although his position will certainly improve he is still going to be massively wrong. (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01003-6) Regardless it is far from certain that a vaccine is going to happen. So we either let the economy and society breakdown completely (we have very restless natives after three weeks...imagine three long hot months esp in the gun toting USA) or we find another way or we accept but try to minimise the risk as we do with every other thing in life, some of which are much more likely to cause any particular individuals death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADREDNIGE Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 30 minutes ago, Robthegasman said: Why? Because some people don't want to hear the truth and by hook or by crook they want the Rugby to commence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasginger Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I think this subject goes beyond the confines of sport. Now I'm not a firm believer in capitalism, but even I can see this won't be allowed to go on much further. Business especially big business will force the governments hand to start lifting the restrictions. This country needs to be working irrespective of what industry to try and keep our heads above water. I can't see sporting events being included in any lifting of restrictions though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldbear Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Marty Funkhouser said: How about it? Mr Ferguson is an "expert" who has previous form for economic destruction when his "modelling" resulted in the needless slaughtering of 6 million animals in 2001. He is certainly practiced at covering his bets with his recent pronouncements covering anything from his doomsday non intervention 40 million worldwide deaths to his low full intervention estimate of 1.9 million deaths. We are currently running (with a slowing rate) at 0.3% and 6.6% of those totals respectively. So Mr Ferguson is currently 99.7% or 93.4% out.. Although his position will certainly improve he is still going to be massively wrong. (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01003-6) Regardless it is far from certain that a vaccine is going to happen. So we either let the economy and society breakdown completely (we have very restless natives after three weeks...imagine three long hot months esp in the gun toting USA) or we find another way or we accept but try to minimise the risk as we do with every other thing in life, some of which are much more likely to cause any particular individuals death. And those gun toting rednecks are just a border away from me (less than 50 miles), and their lunatic president is talking about reopening that border! I agree that all of this involves a level of risk management, especially as there is no guarantee there will ever be a vaccine (there isn’t one for the common cold), and therefore at some point governments around the world will make provisions for sport, however this cannot happen until healthcare systems are relieved of much of their current workloads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robthegasman Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 54 minutes ago, MADREDNIGE said: Because some people don't want to hear the truth and by hook or by crook they want the Rugby to commence. Yes that is very true. I personally don’t think any sport should recommence until things are safe. I think this season tbh will be a write off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADREDNIGE Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I can fully understand fans missing the game but it's a contact sport as we all know so it's impossible not to keep 2 metres apart, hopefully something can be sorted but i don't know what for a good while yet by look of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishknight Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 There will be no rugby this year and maybe next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Fear has really taken hold, it seems. Things are improving, guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ojx Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 7 hours ago, spanishknight said: There will be no rugby this year and maybe next. Watched Trump today, he is opening American sports soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robthegasman Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 9 hours ago, spanishknight said: There will be no rugby this year and maybe next. I would agree that there will be no rugby this year. I think,I hope we see some rugby next year.I think if we do it will be a short season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Thunder Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 10 hours ago, spanishknight said: There will be no rugby this year and maybe next. Oh really? thanks for letting us know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 hours ago, ojx said: Watched Trump today, he is opening American sports soon. Aye. Three phases. Behind closed doors at first then with reduced capacity (he spoke about two seat gaps in stadia) then eventually full capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 hours ago, ojx said: Watched Trump today, he is opening American sports soon. Yes , but he's a nutjob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 34 minutes ago, Man of Kent said: Aye. Three phases. Behind closed doors at first then with reduced capacity (he spoke about two seat gaps in stadia) then eventually full capacity. You & Trump a match made in heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Chopra Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 11 hours ago, spanishknight said: There will be no rugby this year and maybe next. There would only be no rugby next year if there was no football next year. That won't happen because to the public that would signify the trade-offs had been taken too far in one direction. (All of this is a trade-off calculation between infections and normal life.) No rugby or football this year is also unlikely - workplaces will be allowed to manage risk at some point - but no spectators until 2021 seems quite possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, Toby Chopra said: There would only be no rugby next year if there was no football next year. That won't happen because to the public that would signify the trade-offs had been taken too far in one direction. (All of this is a trade-off calculation between infections and normal life.) No rugby or football this year is also unlikely - workplaces will be allowed to manage risk at some point - but no spectators until 2021 seems quite possible. In many areas , no spectators means no sport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iffleyox Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, Toby Chopra said: no spectators until 2021 seems quite possible. which would be suicidal for the League 1 clubs (some of them) - by that level gate receipts are a big part of income. Probably some in the Championship too. I can just about see an argument for the top flight behind closed doors, but in those cases the lower tiers would be better off not playing. But then they come under huge pressure not to have their fans pinched by the clubs that are playing.... so then you come back I think there has to be one decision for the whole game that all levels (in the pro game) sign up to. Either they all play (SL, Champ, L1) IMO and the top tier has to share it's money with the lower tiers more to keep them afloat, or no one does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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