Click Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: Who said anything about it needing to finish in two weeks? We have a condensed season ahead of us in Super League, with a team potentially playing something mad like 13 games in approx 60 days. While eleven teams is not ideal, the period now vacated by Toronto's absence can now be used for resting and recuperation and the "Covid Cup" can determine the twelth team for 2021. Except London and Fev are offering to replace Toronto for this season, saying they have squads that are ready to step up. They're not talking about 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Click said: Except London and Fev are offering to replace Toronto for this season, saying they have squads that are ready to step up. They're not talking about 2021. Let them prove that by winning this competition then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjonn Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Click said: Except London and Fev are offering to replace Toronto for this season, saying they have squads that are ready to step up. They're not talking about 2021. but if offered such a competition I'm sure they would be two of the teams agreeing to it... plus whomever else Don't see anything wrong with such a suggestion... if the RFL/SL had the wherewithal to do it... rather than indecisive action on wondering what to do with Toronto next season. For whatever reason they broke he rules, need punishment, and put them in the Championship and which ever teams want to take part play for SL place next year. If Toronto are really sustainable, then they will win promotion end of 2021.. or not much longer. Plus be in a better position to compete back in SL... Its a win win... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza77 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: Let them prove that by winning this competition then. Let's save the time if there is only those two, let's base it on head to head results in 2020. Please view my photos. http://www.hughesphoto.co.uk/ Little Nook Farm - Caravan Club Certificated Location in the heart of the Pennines overlooking Hebden Bridge and the Calder Valley. http://www.facebook.com/LittleNookFarm Little Nook Cottage - 2-bed self-catering cottage in the heart of the Pennines overlooking Hebden Bridge and the Calder Valley. Book now via airbnb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tms Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, gazza77 said: Let's save the time if there is only those two, let's base it on head to head results in 2020. in that case FEV are 1 up winning in london 34 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweaty craiq Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 More than those two have offered Rimmer must now go - gets a worthless loan and is hailed a hero and now says no appetite to play and constructs a comp over a period that the ambitious clubs could have played for promotion in Figures of a salary circa 250k have been banded about for him - no value in that going forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Hela Wigmen said: By who? I've castigated him in the past 24 hours. Yes, I will vindicate you on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tms Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: Let them prove that by winning this competition then. what competition do they need to win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweaty craiq Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, POR said: what competition do they need to win? Seems like a decent comp to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeytherRob Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, sweaty craiq said: Seems like a decent comp to me TV coverage would make Rugby League Raw look like Cbeebies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fighting irish Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Kayakman said: They backed him between a rock and a hard place..he made the hard call. SL tried a powerplay on him and he was having none of it...thanks for your support though...we will make it through (one way or another)! You sound as if you know something I don't K'man. What were they trying to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Prince Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 7 hours ago, Hela Wigmen said: Trying to compare football to rugby league or Super League to NRL is disingenuous. No it is not.... why should we not be more reastic like NRL are. They do not have promotion and relegation, but they still have lower tier leagues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayakman Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 33 minutes ago, fighting irish said: You sound as if you know something I don't K'man. What were they trying to do? When I was boy I used to go down to the barn in the morning and the night to milk the cows....at the corner of the barn were two big silos and there was a sort of dead end corner that was like a trap...no escape. Well one afternoon me and the golden retriever (Teddy) were down there and Teddy had cornered a chipmunk in the dead zone corner...every time that there chipmunk made a run for it Teddy would direct/chase him back into the corner and approach..that chipmunk would rear up and try for another escape but Teddy would drive him back into the corner. I watched the whole thing unfold (Teddy was a great killer of rodents and groundhogs; the best I've ever seen). Well Teddy was done foolin around and having fun so he went in for the kill....that chipmunk was stuck in a hard place, no where to turn, none to help him out...the end of his life was near. The little ###### reared up as Teddy approached and bit him right in the nose...Teddy yelped and backed off and the little fella escaped....I hit the ground rollin and belly laughin and then Teddy came to me with a large chunk out of his nose and and man oh man was he bleeding. Teddy had messed with the wrong chipmunk. Teddy=SL Chipmunk=Argyle That is what they were trying to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said: No it is not.... why should we not be more reastic like NRL are. They do not have promotion and relegation, but they still have lower tier leagues That nobody bothers with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadera78 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 hours ago, GUBRATS said: That nobody bothers with Clueless. "Just as we had been Cathars, we were treizistes, men apart." Jean Roque, Calendrier-revue du Racing-Club Albigeois, 1958-1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughyedspud Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Bring back the regional cups for a quickfire comp in late Sept into Oct..have a groups then knockout format Lancashire cup. 12 teams,3 groups of 4,winner of each group advances to the semis and the 4th team is the best runner up.. Teams and groups Leigh Oldham swinton Rochdale ------------------ Barrow Whitehaven Workington Newcastle ------------------- London Coventry North Wales Widnes Have a Yorkshire cup based on the same groups then knockout format.. You could have it all done in 6-8 week OLDHAM RLFC the 8TH most successful team in british RL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 11 hours ago, Hela Wigmen said: Campbell is no Robin Hood of the lower leagues. He's not interested in taking from "the rich" and giving to "the poor", he cares little for making Rugby League a better game for all, he cares little for growing the sport. He wants a seat at the top table alongside the Super League chairmen, who people like Campbell and lower league fans spend so often vilifying for "self interest", while Campbell is looking after his own self interests (of which I don't blame him for, it's what everyone is doing, after all). And this, the greed from chairmen at every single level is why the game is where it's at right now. We're governed by our clubs and those clubs should have a say on what happens to the sport and their business interest but the game needs independent governance and without it, this infighting, belittling of each other and rather toxic and dour war of words will continue again and again. What will be your reaction come the next TV contract, if SL decide as Mr Leneghan quite publicly announced his desire to withdraw any funding from clubs below SL level? I can see in your post that you are apportioning "looking after number one" at all levels, but if SL follows through with Mr Leneghan's desire that would be a tantamount to a "mass culling" in the second and third divisions. We can only speculate on how much do some of those Championship owners know what us going on behind the scenes, there seems to be a concerted effort from some saying "if you can't beat them join them", also include a closed shop/licensing/franchise return and I can understand the attitude. As stated previously, there are two distinct divisions within both SL and Championship formats, those who will be there or there about at the top in SL and those who will always be struggling in the Championship, there is not a lot of difference in a most of the clubs in the portion including the bottom SL dwellers and top Championship clubs save for the level of funding recieved, they are all very much aware of this, hence being self interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 11 hours ago, Kayakman said: Argyle just reaffirmed his commitment to the club long term and a shift in focus to NA player development Hallelujah, what's his reason K'man, why the sudden about turn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 11 hours ago, POR said: agreed but FEV say they can get it free so would assume all other clubs could try to do the same And so to Leigh, seems very funny that it is those two teams who have actually tried to source a solution, whilst most others seem happy to let an opportunity to recommence just drift on past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwalker71 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: We can only speculate on how much do some of those Championship owners know what us going on behind the scenes, there seems to be a concerted effort from some saying "if you can't beat them join them", also include a closed shop/licensing/franchise return and I can understand the attitude. As stated previously, there are two distinct divisions within both SL and Championship formats, those who will be there or there about at the top in SL and those who will always be struggling in the Championship, there is not a lot of difference in a most of the clubs in the portion including the bottom SL dwellers and top Championship clubs save for the level of funding recieved, they are all very much aware of this, hence being self interested. You do have wonder how much the Championship chairman know about the behind-the-scenes machinations that must inevitably be happening as the next TV deal looms FWIW I agree with you Harry, that the Championship is two divisions within a division. My view is that now would be the time grasp the nettle and go for 2x10s. Twenty full-time clubs with no DR allowed, and promotion and relegation between them. The rest of the clubs would be part-time or amateur community clubs in their own divisions with promotion and relegation between those divisions. I know it sounds brutal but I don't see another way - you can't mix oil and water. Whether we can find and fund 20 teams is another issue to solve, of course. We aren't that far off when you start with the current 12 and add Leigh, Featherstone, London, Toulouse - then potentially Bradford, Widnes, Ottawa and perhaps Newcastle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 11 hours ago, Smudger06 said: It's hard to support him right now kman, withdrawing a week b4 his 1st game. Paying his blokes late. I hope he forges ahead though. One very relevant point that has not been mentioned is TWP pulled the plug prior to the announcement that P&R had definatley been abandoned for this season. In that I am going to give them a big massive "tick", if they have taken a calculated risk that they will recieve no more than a slap on the wrist, and it is "as you where" next season, it worked, but we still have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 13 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: What will be your reaction come the next TV contract, if SL decide as Mr Leneghan quite publicly announced his desire to withdraw any funding from clubs below SL level? I can see in your post that you are apportioning "looking after number one" at all levels, but if SL follows through with Mr Leneghan's desire that would be a tantamount to a "mass culling" in the second and third divisions. We can only speculate on how much do some of those Championship owners know what us going on behind the scenes, there seems to be a concerted effort from some saying "if you can't beat them join them", also include a closed shop/licensing/franchise return and I can understand the attitude. As stated previously, there are two distinct divisions within both SL and Championship formats, those who will be there or there about at the top in SL and those who will always be struggling in the Championship, there is not a lot of difference in a most of the clubs in the portion including the bottom SL dwellers and top Championship clubs save for the level of funding recieved, they are all very much aware of this, hence being self interested. You always seem to bring up this Lenagan thing when it comes to funding but I can’t say I can remember those quotes, so I googled it. I can’t really find much on what you say but did find this: “We’ve guaranteed promotion and relegation of one club from Championship, we’ve guaranteed funding to the Championship and League One at the same level until 2021 and at the same level after that if we get the same TV deal and a decent level otherwise.” https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-league/changing-structure-crucial-whole-rugby-league-says-wigan-warriors-owner-lenagan-700262%3famp I’m not sure what a “decent level otherwise” equates to though presumably that means lower than what the lower leagues get up to 2021. That said, I fully expect a lesser deal for Super League (nothing to do with this week’s news from Toronto) anyway, so the lower leagues will likely get less. Anyway, genuinely interested to read these Lenegan quotes and this wasn’t mean to have a dig at you either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, paulwalker71 said: The rest of the clubs would be part-time or amateur community clubs in their own divisions with promotion and relegation between those divisions. I know it sounds brutal but I don't see another way - you can't mix oil and water. So many will be livid at this idea. Whole game solutions only and P&R is required to make a sport British. You can't have a closed shop of 20 teams. Fans would walk away and never return once you get rid of the R in P&R. They've all said so. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fighting irish Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 9 hours ago, Kayakman said: When I was boy I used to go down to the barn in the morning and the night to milk the cows....at the corner of the barn were two big silos and there was a sort of dead end corner that was like a trap...no escape. Well one afternoon me and the golden retriever (Teddy) were down there and Teddy had cornered a chipmunk in the dead zone corner...every time that there chipmunk made a run for it Teddy would direct/chase him back into the corner and approach..that chipmunk would rear up and try for another escape but Teddy would drive him back into the corner. I watched the whole thing unfold (Teddy was a great killer of rodents and groundhogs; the best I've ever seen). Well Teddy was done foolin around and having fun so he went in for the kill....that chipmunk was stuck in a hard place, no where to turn, none to help him out...the end of his life was near. The little ###### reared up as Teddy approached and bit him right in the nose...Teddy yelped and backed off and the little fella escaped....I hit the ground rollin and belly laughin and then Teddy came to me with a large chunk out of his nose and and man oh man was he bleeding. Teddy had messed with the wrong chipmunk. Teddy=SL Chipmunk=Argyle That is what they were trying to do. I've understood the analogy but what specifically have they done in the last few weeks, to cause the chipmunk to bite so deep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 hours ago, roughyedspud said: Bring back the regional cups for a quickfire comp in late Sept into Oct..have a groups then knockout format Lancashire cup. 12 teams,3 groups of 4,winner of each group advances to the semis and the 4th team is the best runner up.. Teams and groups Leigh Oldham swinton Rochdale ------------------ Barrow Whitehaven Workington Newcastle ------------------- London Coventry North Wales Widnes Have a Yorkshire cup based on the same groups then knockout format.. You could have it all done in 6-8 week Not for me, thanks anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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