Griff Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 1 minute ago, marklaspalmas said: Yes there has. TRL has a 2 groups of 8 plus semis and finals outlined as the potential format. It'll depend on numbers. The RFL just gave that as an example. If there were 16 entrants, this is what might happen. As you say yourself, it'll depend on numbers. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, marklaspalmas said: Logically your post should've gone on another thread then I disagree. It was relevant to this thread. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Every day that goes by without a concrete decision on Toronto reduces the chance of this or any other lower tier competition happening We are already seeing players from Championship clubs being picked up on short term contracts by SL clubs who realise the highly compacted schedule they are looking at will test their squad numbers So we all sit and wait for Mr Argyle to decide what he is going to do ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJW Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 2 hours ago, POR said: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-on-phased-return-of-sport-and-recreation/elite-sport-return-to-competition-safe-return-of-spectators Interesting reading, especially the bit about cleaning the stadium and seating. Club I go to hasn't had stadium cleaned since* . . . . . . . . * Though some seats do get washed when it rains. "● spectator areas, including seating, concourse areas and toilets, should be cleaned more frequently than normal, including between each competition session," My wife complains I selfishly stop her fulfilling her true ambition - she really wants to be a rich widow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, BJW said: Potential being the operative word. Until RFL has some concrete proposals then we're all just speculating. So it's a chicken and egg situation ? , All ultimately tied in with an Australian billionaire ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklaspalmas Posted July 24, 2020 Author Share Posted July 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Griff said: The RFL just gave that as an example. If there were 16 entrants, this is what might happen. As you say yourself, it'll depend on numbers. Yep, that's what potential means https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklaspalmas Posted July 24, 2020 Author Share Posted July 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Griff said: I disagree. It was relevant to this thread. I don't think anyone on here is underestimating the complexities of this unique situation. https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Just now, marklaspalmas said: Yep, that's what potential means What if there's 3 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklaspalmas Posted July 24, 2020 Author Share Posted July 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: What if there's 3 ? Three what? https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwalker71 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 23 minutes ago, marklaspalmas said: Yes there has. TRL has a 2 groups of 8 plus semis and finals outlined as the potential format. It'll depend on numbers. Like I say, no information from The RFL I realise its a bit of a chicken and egg but clubs need to have some idea of how many matches they might end up playing, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: What if there's 3 ? Might not be as many as that. No promotion. Crowds restricted. Response from public unknown. Response from players unknown. Handout from RFL might not cover additional costs. Yeah, there's a few clubs who'd probably make it pay but there'll be a few who won't. What'd probably kill it off would be for the central funds to be prize money. Any club who didn't see themselves as in with a shout of winning some would probably drop out, leaving an unrealistically low number of entrants. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, paulwalker71 said: Like I say, no information from The RFL I realise its a bit of a chicken and egg but clubs need to have some idea of how many matches they might end up playing, for example. The aim is to fill October and November, which is nine weekends. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiganermike Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: So it's a chicken and egg situation ? , All ultimately tied in with an Australian billionaire ? It is a bit chicken and egg in the sense that the RFL will have given clubs a proposed format (hopefully formats dependent on numbers entering) and the clubs will decide whether it is for them. The format will then change if necessary depending on how many enter and what is possible in terms of format based on numbers. If there are only 4 to 6 entrants for example we may see a double round robin mini league rather than what was in the e-mail TRL saw. It depends more on SL and the RFL than Argyle at present. He has made his pitch to stay in the league at yesterday's meeting. SL and the RFL Board will now decide what they want to do about TWP. If their decision means for whatever reason that the 12th SL place for 2021 is vacated then I expect the Autumn competition will become a lot more appealing as that is the most likely source for deciding a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 23 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: So it's a chicken and egg situation ? If I was a club director, it'd be more about the hoops I had to jump through to stage games. The actual format of the competition would be very low on my list of considerations. I'd just accept that it was a one-off tournament, unlikely to be repeated, cobbled together at short notice. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJW Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Just to float the idea, say it was played in 4 groups of 4 with top of group progressing to semi, followed by final. 12 teams that finish 2-4 in group get £13000, semi losers get £19000, final losers get £23000 and winnners £33000 ? My wife complains I selfishly stop her fulfilling her true ambition - she really wants to be a rich widow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Chopra Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 29 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: Every day that goes by without a concrete decision on Toronto reduces the chance of this or any other lower tier competition happening We are already seeing players from Championship clubs being picked up on short term contracts by SL clubs who realise the highly compacted schedule they are looking at will test their squad numbers So we all sit and wait for Mr Argyle to decide what he is going to do ? Genuine question: why does the fate of Toronto affect whether the the RFL125 competition goes ahead or not? We know Toronto aren't coming back this year, if at all, so I'm struggling to understand the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 1 minute ago, BJW said: Just to float the idea, say it was played in 4 groups of 4 with top of group progressing to semi, followed by final. 12 teams that finish 2-4 in group get £13000, semi losers get £19000, final losers get £23000 and winnners £33000 ? I could be wrong, but I'd be surprised if 16 teams signed up. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklaspalmas Posted July 24, 2020 Author Share Posted July 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, paulwalker71 said: Like I say, no information from The RFL I realise its a bit of a chicken and egg but clubs need to have some idea of how many matches they might end up playing, for example. TRL's info came from the RFL https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Toby Chopra said: Genuine question: why does the fate of Toronto affect whether the the RFL125 competition goes ahead or not? We know Toronto aren't coming back this year, if at all, so I'm struggling to understand the link. Because if clubs see this competition as a potential route to SL then they'll be more likely to enter it than if it is just a filler. I’m not prejudiced, I hate everybody equally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklaspalmas Posted July 24, 2020 Author Share Posted July 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Griff said: I could be wrong, but I'd be surprised if 16 teams signed up. Yes, that feels a tad ambitious. From a selfish perspective, and let's face it all clubs are understandably and naturally selfish, the less teams, the more appealling this comp becomes. Sharing 250k between 6 clubs is much juicier than 16 for example. https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklaspalmas Posted July 24, 2020 Author Share Posted July 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Derwent said: Because if clubs see this competition as a potential route to SL then they'll be more likely to enter it than if it is just a filler. Surely this has never been suggested, even hinted at? You've just made that leap yourself? https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, marklaspalmas said: Surely this has never been suggested, even hinted at? You've just made that leap yourself? Yes I have but if they expel Toronto from SL next year then you'd think they would be looking to fill that place. Potentially winning this comp could stengthen a club's case for inclusion. I’m not prejudiced, I hate everybody equally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Derwent said: Because if clubs see this competition as a potential route to SL then they'll be more likely to enter it than if it is just a filler. If Toronto do drop out - and I hope they don't - it's far more likely that clubs will be invited to bid for the twelfth place. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Chopra Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Derwent said: Because if clubs see this competition as a potential route to SL then they'll be more likely to enter it than if it is just a filler. 1 minute ago, Derwent said: Yes I have but if they expel Toronto from SL next year then you'd think they would be looking to fill that place. Potentially winning this comp could stengthen a club's case for inclusion. Ok, I get it now, thanks. I think it's pretty clear there will not be any automatic promotion from this tournament - the RFL have said so, haven't they? As for making a case for filling the empty spot if that's what transpires, we must just hope the RFL/SL are crystal clear with the criteria for selecting the 12th team. They would be very unwise to link it in any way to this exceptional tournament in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklaspalmas Posted July 24, 2020 Author Share Posted July 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, Derwent said: Yes I have but if they expel Toronto from SL next year then you'd think they would be looking to fill that place. Potentially winning this comp could stengthen a club's case for inclusion. A logical thought process and I agree with you. Therefore extremely unlikely to happen. https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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