Lowdesert Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Currently being looked at. Do we really need this. I hope the reviewers of this new system arent the same people writing out this link. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-28/nrl-looking-skeletal-tracking-upgrade-for-contorversial-bunker/12497812?section=sport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Apparently there’s a ‘new’ technology that enables vision called ‘eyes’. They work by detecting light, and have cells in something called the ‘retina’ that allow the perception of depth. Maybe that could work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim2 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 15 minutes ago, Man of Kent said: Apparently there’s a ‘new’ technology that enables vision called ‘eyes’. They work by detecting light, and have cells in something called the ‘retina’ that allow the perception of depth. Maybe that could work? Based on my experience as a referee, probably not. "I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKR AWAY DAYS Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, Man of Kent said: Apparently there’s a ‘new’ technology that enables vision called ‘eyes’. They work by detecting light, and have cells in something called the ‘retina’ that allow the perception of depth. Maybe that could work? You had my in the first half, I believe is the expression Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Could they not just put a tracker in the bank to measure it's speed in the forward direction? If it's speed increases when passed, it's gone forward in relation to the player's speed then. Would be a lot cheaper than measuring every part of every player! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 18 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said: Could they not just put a tracker in the bank to measure it's speed in the forward direction? If it's speed increases when passed, it's gone forward in relation to the player's speed then. Would be a lot cheaper than measuring every part of every player! Just shows the difference in the 2 competitions. The NRL have money to play with, SL have a lot less. imo the attitude is different as well but thats another thread. The short, flat pass changed things. At speed and traffic, very difficult to judge. We dont need perfect though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 In a decade this will probably be simple, accurate and affordable technology. Our game will never be the same again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Copa said: In a decade this will probably be simple, accurate and affordable technology. Our game will never be the same again. If it’s anything like VAR, please NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 28 minutes ago, Copa said: In a decade this will probably be simple, accurate and affordable technology. Our game will never be the same again. I said this last decade to be fair and it hasn't arrived yet! I compared it to Hawkeye but on a less technical scale. That article makes it sound way too complicated. Referees use the hands to help judge whether it's gone forward in relation to the player. I don't AI would be able to do that (yet) because there are just so many variables (i.e. which way is the player facing?) The rule is about the ball traveling forwards in relation to the player's forward motion. Just measure both of those and if there's an increase then it's forward. It should just be a case of "how do we measure those 2 things with enough accuracy that it can be used in officiating?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Absolute rubbish . The never ending search for the perfect game goes on , with technology officiating the game checking everything so nothing is ever wrong ... BS , I’d go completely the other way . The whole nature of the game has been changed , and on field officials have lost all will and confidence in decision making . And we strive for more and more when we should get less and less external involvement . Once you openly say it’s not fool proof and you’ll get errors then what’s the point , that’s the same as refs and touchies . Get shot , put the money in development pathways , get in goal touchies and get officials officiating and a game isn’t dissected to hell and doesn’t last longer than Ben Hur . Funny in the 9s they call and get the vast majority right . Tech hasn’t eradicated human error , never will as it’s still a bloke at the end of it , and it hasn’t eradicated endless debate and controversy and never will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Wellsy4HullFC said: Could they not just put a tracker in the bank to measure it's speed in the forward direction? If it's speed increases when passed, it's gone forward in relation to the player's speed then. Would be a lot cheaper than measuring every part of every player! You would have to also measure wind speed at the precise time of the momentum of the ball accelerating past the speed of the passer.. Ball is blown or bounces forward If the ball is passed correctly but bounces forward or is blown forward by the wind, there is no infringement and play should continue. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Man of Kent said: Apparently there’s a ‘new’ technology that enables vision called ‘eyes’. They work by detecting light, and have cells in something called the ‘retina’ that allow the perception of depth. Maybe that could work? Based on trials with fans, the efficiency of this "eyes" technology also seems to vary, based on which team is passing the ball. So still a few bugs to work out there, I feel. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Man of Kent said: Apparently there’s a ‘new’ technology that enables vision called ‘eyes’. They work by detecting light, and have cells in something called the ‘retina’ that allow the perception of depth. Maybe that could work? Eyes technology is defunct if you never believe what your eyes are seeing . So you let someone else decide , ultimately with their eyes , so he can 100% get it right for you . And thus the moaning you’d get from refs making decisions and getting them wrong is totally extinct and everyone is happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Why don't we just watch CGI of the players scoring perfect tries and referees never making a mistake... these human beings just get in the way of the entertainment. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedfordshire Bronco Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Lowdesert said: Currently being looked at. Do we really need this. I hope the reviewers of this new system arent the same people writing out this link. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-28/nrl-looking-skeletal-tracking-upgrade-for-contorversial-bunker/12497812?section=sport Hopefully this does not happen Already too many stoppages There was at least 2 try groundings checked in the NRL last weekend that were shocking.... They ball was so clearly put down properly that I couldn't believe they went to the Bunker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedfordshire Bronco Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dunbar said: Why don't we just watch CGI of the players scoring perfect tries and referees never making a mistake... these human beings just get in the way of the entertainment. Its a joke isn't it..... One thing I love about rugby is that no one is walking around with a bl oodynphone in their hand .... I am typing this from my phone of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 21 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said: Hopefully this does not happen Already too many stoppages There was at least 2 try groundings checked in the NRL last weekend that were shocking.... They ball was so clearly put down properly that I couldn't believe they went to the Bunker I like when they’re standing there watching everything ... then they consult the touchies and say ‘ yep i saw that , yep I’ve a try to ‘ , then in detail tell the VR what they’ve seen and end with ‘ confirm that ‘ . It wasn’t really meant to be used like that but that’s what technology does , it permeates deeper n deeper in and becomes a comfort blanket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wholly Trinity Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said: Could they not just put a tracker in the bank to measure it's speed in the forward direction? If it's speed increases when passed, it's gone forward in relation to the player's speed then. Would be a lot cheaper than measuring every part of every player! I believe a German company perfected mounting a sensor in a ball for the alternative bid to VAR. You'd only need to accurately measure the position of the ball relative to the try lines in real time. A sensor mounted in each crossbar would be sufficient using simple pythagorus to pinpoint the location. This would allow you to calculate the speed and then the acceleration of the ball at any moment in this direction. This could then be matched to video of the pass to detect any forward acceleration at moment of release. It could be used on limited captain's appeal on the build up to trys . A bit like the snickometer in cricket. But overall, I'd just prefer a tiny change in wording of the law to state that the ball must be passed in a backward direction, making flat passes forward and moving the cut-off point of decisions from flat/forwards to backwards/flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clogiron Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 The officals make errors and so do player's just accept it and get on with the game. It's only due to the blanket coverage the game gets in the NRL and the plethora of pundits trying to justify their exsistance that that has brought about 'The Bunker' and another lair of people to make errors. As for forward passes change the law to say the ball must be passed backwards, that will rule out 2/3 of the contentious issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Copa said: In a decade this will probably be simple, accurate and affordable technology. Our game will never be the same again. It will, it's just the present ruling allows the forward pass to be exploited moreso in presnt day playing methods, it was not as prevelent before the 'flat' pass or 'line ball' came into vogue, if technology catches up to identify more misdemeanours the coaches will change their methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Padge said: You would have to also measure wind speed at the precise time of the momentum of the ball accelerating past the speed of the passer.. Ball is blown or bounces forward If the ball is passed correctly but bounces forward or is blown forward by the wind, there is no infringement and play should continue. 37 minutes ago, Wholly Trinity said: I believe a German company perfected mounting a sensor in a ball for the alternative bid to VAR. You'd only need to accurately measure the position of the ball relative to the try lines in real time. A sensor mounted in each crossbar would be sufficient using simple pythagorus to pinpoint the location. This would allow you to calculate the speed and then the acceleration of the ball at any moment in this direction. This could then be matched to video of the pass to detect any forward acceleration at moment of release. It could be used on limited captain's appeal on the build up to trys . A bit like the snickometer in cricket. But overall, I'd just prefer a tiny change in wording of the law to state that the ball must be passed in a backward direction, making flat passes forward and moving the cut-off point of decisions from flat/forwards to backwards/flat. See the quote above which in turn quotes the Laws of the game regarding the fact the effect of the wind has to be taken account. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 In 20 years we may have 50 cameras around the field connected to a computer that enforces a certain number of laws. A 6 again style buzzer will call a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, Copa said: In 20 years we may have 50 cameras around the field connected to a computer that enforces a certain number of laws. A 6 again style buzzer will call a penalty. Or at least that what we think will be happening. In reality, the machines will be keeping the players in a simulated reality where they think they are playing Rugby League while all the time they are actually being harvested for their bioelectric power. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMEGA Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 We’ve already lost the ability to prevent over officiating from ruining the game so it’s a no from me. over officiating has already taken much of the fluidity of the game away and with it some of the entertainment value we had 20+ years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wholly Trinity Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 46 minutes ago, Padge said: See the quote above which in turn quotes the Laws of the game regarding the fact the effect of the wind has to be taken account. Hence why it's an acceleration in a forward direction as it leaves the passers hands. Wind or bounce is irrelevant at this split second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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