DavidM Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Griff said: No - but the implication that it's all Johnny Foreigner's fault is. Not really . I’m not a Johnny Foreigner and no one can say my name . That’s just an implication you’ve put on it , and I’m sorry I think it’s a spurious and sad implication tarring all people like that . It’s the same both ways , any country finds some names unnatural to them from another language tough . There’s nothing to read into that the vast majority of times . Sad we look for something more . We could say the same when other countries say our names Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 2 hours ago, gingerjon said: Difficult. Not impossible. And commentators have weeks to learn this stuff. It's their actual job. No one should be asking for perfection but as close as possible. I think we have improved from when Eddie Hemmings tried to get out of saying Nick Bradley Qalilawa's name altogether because, apparently, beastly foreign names are just ghastly and why wouldn't he be fine with being called Bradley in commentary. Not all rugby league commentators are full time rugby league commentators - this isn’t football. Have you ever watched an England game in another country with foreign commentary? I have and they don’t pronounce the English players’ names as we would. Strangely I didn’t think it was racist of them not to find out the exact correct pronunciation though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, dboy said: In next week's episode - Sri Lankan pronunciations. Good luck everyone. When this appeared on their Facebook page the comments from Sri Lankans were hilarious.. https://m.betootaadvocate.com/humans-of-betoota/woman-marrying-sri-lankan-bloke-not-sure-she-can-pull-off-23-letter-wedding-hashtag/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dboy Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Griff said: No - but the implication that it's all Johnny Foreigner's fault is. And there we have it. YOU are suggesting that people who mispronounce a name BLAME the person for having a difficult or unfamiliar name. YOU are deciding what other people mean and think, however innocent their efforts may be. Groupthink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, dboy said: In next week's episode - Sri Lankan pronunciations. Good luck everyone. Don’t know what your talking about ...Warnakulasuriya Patabendige Ushantha Joseph Chaminda Vaas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, Eddie said: Have you ever watched an England game in another country with foreign commentary? I have Yes. Loads of times. I've never heard anyone get a name so wrong you wouldn't know who they were actually talking about. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, Eddie said: Not all rugby league commentators are full time rugby league commentators - this isn’t football. Sorry, I missed this strange line before. They know enough to be able to spot a specific player on the other side of the field at distance and at night under lights when there are 12 other people on the field wearing the exact same kit ... but can't spend two minutes beforehand getting the one or two difficult names broadly right? Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 14 minutes ago, DavidM said: Cesar Azpilicueta has revealed the reason why his nickname is Dave. The Chelsea full back was handed the bizarre name early in his Blues career - due to his apparently difficult to pronounce name. And the name Davenaturally rolled out as a nod to classic comedy Only Fools and Horses. Cesar is hard to pronounce? Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Just now, gingerjon said: Cesar is hard to pronounce? Yes that one is an outlier , but I guess we’re talking about footballers in this case .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 16 minutes ago, DavidM said: Cesar Azpilicueta has revealed the reason why his nickname is Dave. The Chelsea full back was handed the bizarre name early in his Blues career - due to his apparently difficult to pronounce name. And the name Davenaturally rolled out as a nod to classic comedy Only Fools and Horses. Cesar is difficult to pronounce ? Bless me - we are in a pickle. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Griff said: Cesar is difficult to pronounce ? Bless me - we are in a pickle. It is if you play for Chelsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, DavidM said: Yes that one is an outlier , but I guess we’re talking about footballers in this case .... Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-leeds-53398241/how-can-i-be-the-bad-guy-for-calling-out-racism Watch the video and decide for yourself whether he's just over-sensitive. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 31 minutes ago, Griff said: No - but the implication that it's all Johnny Foreigner's fault is. complete, utter tosh. You are GJ and I claim my £5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 minute ago, JohnM said: complete, utter tosh. You are GJ and I claim my £5. Councel. HTH. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjonn Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Sorry, I missed this strange line before. They know enough to be able to spot a specific player on the other side of the field at distance and at night under lights when there are 12 other people on the field wearing the exact same kit ... but can't spend two minutes beforehand getting the one or two difficult names broadly right? broadly right, ain't being correct. As people sometimes like to have their name pronounced different that how it would normally be... then I guess they have to ring every ruddy one up to check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjonn Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 I can't even get my kids name correct since having my stroke ... no matter how hard I try... no chance with others.... give us a break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Some people seem to look for things to be offended by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, redjonn said: ... then I guess they have to ring every ruddy one up to check. I would expect the club's media team to be able to answer that question and also provide a pronunciation guide. I mean, you'd do it if someone had the surname Gillingham, which is one I've heard with both a hard and soft 'g'. No one is expecting perfection and some will be better than others, but throwing your hands up and accepting not trying is not good enough. Someone mentioned Sri Lankan names. I would expect anyone commentating on Sri Lanka cricket to be able to pronounce the names. They're long but they're not mystical impossibilities. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 27 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Cesar is hard to pronounce? No, but in Chelsea they thought Azpilicueta might be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Just now, Tommygilf said: No, but in Chelsea they thought Azpilicueta might be Ah right - so they called him Cesar Dave. Thanks - I understand now. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Just now, Tommygilf said: No, but in Chelsea they thought Azpilicueta might be So they called him Cesar Dave? Odd lot. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Just now, Griff said: Ah right - so they called him Cesar Dave. Thanks - I understand now. Oi! I thought I'd come up with an amazing and unique response there. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Just now, Griff said: Ah right - so they called him Cesar Dave. Thanks - I understand now. No, they just called him Dave. In multinational football teams (indeed in many teams full stop) and sports its quite common to refer to people by their last names. It sounds a bit old schoolboy but thats the way it is. With the best will in the world, Azpilicueta is a bit of a mouthful to shout to a team mate. Have you seen Billy Connolly's sketch on nicknames, its nice to have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, gingerjon said: So they called him Cesar Dave? Odd lot. They do play for Chelsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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