Number 16 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Well done sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 It’s up to him, he can’t be forced to do it. That said, I’m sure people will be watching his social media accounts very closely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 I missed this , what happened ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapski Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Fantastic. End racism. But Black Lives Matter cult needs upending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 What actually was his stand though? Or is everybody assuming his motives match theirs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Entirely up to him. Looks like Israel and I fundamentally disagree on many things but I absolutely support his right to do as he wishes. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Spidey said: What actually was his stand though? Or is everybody assuming his motives match theirs There is a lot of projecting going on, isn't there? Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 I’m sure he’ll get slated by some, in the media particularly, but he can do what he wants and I’m glad he hasn’t felt pressured to kneel if he doesn’t want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Dunbar said: Entirely up to him. Looks like Israel and I fundamentally disagree on many things but I absolutely support his right to do as he wishes. He can do as he likes. Clearly the option to stand is there for any player who wishes. It says a lot that so few, across all sports around the world, are standing. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 One post removed. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eal Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Great stuff from Israel. I am happy to support #blacklivesmatter but the organisation BlackLives Matter is a scourge on society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearenough Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 it was the only thing of note he did in the match, maybe he should concentarte on playing some rugby now he has the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Nearenough said: it was the only thing of note he did in the match, maybe he should concentarte on playing some rugby now he has the chance. Cheering a lazy rugby player to own the libs Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEANUT HEAD Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Well done for making his own choice instead of being pressured in to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Given his profile and past misdemeanours, I’m sure it will be this, not some of the great rugby on offer, that gets picked up by media organisations and that’s sad. It’s up to him of course but a strange stance to take, to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 when the gestures get more headlines than the performances then its time to go to bed zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, PEANUT HEAD said: Well done for making his own choice instead of being pressured in to it. Ah, so he made his own choice, but the other 33 didn't? Everybody made their own choice. His was different to everyone else's. His prerogative, but it's fair to ask why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dave T said: His prerogative, but it's fair to ask why. I am not sure about that, can he not just make a personal choice without us asking him to justify it? "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, Dave T said: but it's fair to ask why. I guess you can ask , he doesn’t need to answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleEyePie Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 The guy made his choice, just as everyone else did. He doesn't owe anyone an explanation though. We should just leave him to it. At the start of the year it seemed most people didn't want him going on about his personal views. We can't now be demanding he explains himself. No doubt someone will try to ask him but he doesn't need to respond. I'd rather hear more from players who want to talk about their experiences of racism and how to be actively anti-racist than trying to coax something controversial from Folau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dunbar said: I am not sure about that, can he not just make a personal choice without us asking him to justify it? He doesn't have to answer. But he works in a job where the media ask about his actions, so it is 100% fair to ask him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, DavidM said: I guess you can ask , he doesn’t need to answer Absolutely, but he is in a job where he works with the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 This is no different to any other sport. We either engage with the media or we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Just now, Dave T said: Absolutely, but he is in a job where he works with the media. I think they keep him well away from the media tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Just now, Dave T said: This is no different to any other sport. We either engage with the media or we don't. He has no contractual obligation to discuss personal issues Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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