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Eddie

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2 hours ago, Cardypaul said:

All very interesting but I have a really radical idea how about basing it on the ability of teams. We have spent more time trying to manipulate who we have in SL rather than having P&R and letting the teams that deserve to be there get on with it. The reality is Toronto went belly up because they were reliant on a sugar daddy but to be honest so are most of the clubs in SL. 
I know it won’t happen but I would love to see a time where the league wasn’t dominated by how big the owners wallet is.

TWP went belly up (for this season at least) because Covid meant they had no income. Also most leagues in most sports in most countries are determined by owner’s wallets and always have been. 

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1 minute ago, Eddie said:

TWP went belly up (for this season at least) because Covid meant they had no income. Also most leagues in most sports in most countries are determined by owner’s wallets and always have been. 

Indeed, people often forget that owners with the biggest wallets are drawn towards the biggest teams too in a self fulfilling relationship.

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2 hours ago, Eddie said:

It would be incredible. 

Here's the really funny thing about all the small minds debating attendances and oh! how important they are to those with little else to support a SL argument. If we were comparing say 30,000 and 5,000 then wow that's a discernible difference. But we are not. We are comparing 5,000 and 1,500. So the question is more, will Super Club Leigh increase Sky subs  - no they wont. Will Featherstone - no they wont. Will Toulouse - no they wont. Will London or Toronto - more than likely, given a significant number of Sky RL viewers are already based in the SE. Will Leigh's Academy introduce more players to the elite game - no, they don't have one. Will Featherstone Academy - do they have one ? Will Toulouse - possibly. Will London - demonstrably. Do we really think how a 'stadium' looks on TV is really that important rather than the product that takes place in it - has anyone seen NRL games at Sunshine Coast Stadium of late  - any different to Trailfinders ? Think big picture, think beyond small towns with Rugby League justice and fight in their belly.

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1 hour ago, DimmestStar said:

People seem to assume that because McManus rejects a 11 team Super League that's the end of the matter.

He only gets one vote and I think plenty of clubs struggling financially will not want to divide the TV money with an extra club in 2021, not with the big reduction they have to suffer already.

The idea was 11 teams in 2021 with one team promoted each year for 3 years to get up to 14. That would give a great chance for Toulouse, London and the others with a year to get finances back in some order for the 11 clubs.

Not saying it's ideal by any means but I wouldn't write off the idea just yet. McManus has already lost the vote to hand control back to the RFL he can easily lose again.

That wasn't a proposed way forward from the governing body so it isn't the idea/proposal that we are assuming that will be applied. It was a suggestion put forward by Neil Hudgell in an interview, so it is no more of a plan for how to proceed than the one suggested by McManus or the one put forward by Gary Hetherington a couple of weeks ago. Hudgell's suggestion was full of self interest as it would protect his club from relegation for three years. Both McManus and Hetherington before him have spoken of the need to avoid self interest from the clubs when deciding the way forward for 2021.

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yipyee

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4 hours ago, Blind side johnny said:

You keep citing the NFL but the products are massively different. Thanks to decades of exposure and promotion the NFL has a massive image couple with a ready-made audience to tap into. Thanks to decades of rank bad management RL has no image outside of its adherents. That is the fundamental problem that has been ignored for years.

Toronto were actually creating that image and audience in Canada and that is one thing that McManus rightly said would be foolish to simply toss away.

And that is my point, the leadership and vision of the NFL is streets ahwad of the RFL

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yipyee

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2 hours ago, PEANUT HEAD said:

Let's relegate Wakey, huddersfield, castleford and salford then, cause they don't bring any of that to the game

Cas and Hudds bring player development

Wakey can be relegated as they are clingers on, i like wakey but have become bored of their empty promises

Salford is a strange one, they have potential for player development, they have potential for big crowds, they did have a wealthy owner until he got pushed out of the game.. the same wealthy owner also tried to buy Braford and was rejected..

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Kayakman

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Just now, SL17 said:

You require massive monies, unless Perez has an answer.

You don't think I don't know that?....but where there is a will there is a way (and thats a fact).

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25 minutes ago, Magic XIII said:

Here's the really funny thing about all the small minds debating attendances and oh! how important they are to those with little else to support a SL argument. If we were comparing say 30,000 and 5,000 then wow that's a discernible difference. But we are not. We are comparing 5,000 and 1,500. So the question is more, will Super Club Leigh increase Sky subs  - no they wont. Will Featherstone - no they wont. Will Toulouse - no they wont. Will London or Toronto - more than likely, given a significant number of Sky RL viewers are already based in the SE. Will Leigh's Academy introduce more players to the elite game - no, they don't have one. Will Featherstone Academy - do they have one ? Will Toulouse - possibly. Will London - demonstrably. Do we really think how a 'stadium' looks on TV is really that important rather than the product that takes place in it - has anyone seen NRL games at Sunshine Coast Stadium of late  - any different to Trailfinders ? Think big picture, think beyond small towns with Rugby League justice and fight in their belly.

Leigh was 6500 in 2017, I am sure that could be grown with a long stay in SL and a backer willing to tip in.

The majority of week in week out Sky RL followers in the SE and SW are exiles with allegiances.

Unless you are chosen to have a Cat 1 Academy you will not produce many SL players - Leigh run a College based one like most others, once granted a Cat 1 and funding then I am confident players will flow again

Trailfinders is shocking.

Expansion must embrace all, otherwise the root dies

 

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1 hour ago, Eddie said:

TWP went belly up (for this season at least) because Covid meant they had no income. Also most leagues in most sports in most countries are determined by owner’s wallets and always have been. 

Every other club have had the same circumstances and survived. The problem was the business owners lan was based around the owners input and that’s why it failed.

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yipyee

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2 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

The NFL ? , You are comparing SL to the NFL ? 😂

Yep, 

The NFL in the UK that is, if you went back to 96 and said that rugby league hasnt moved on much but the nfl has got its own sky channel and sells out wembley and other large stadiums for 4 games a year i would expect your above response...

In reality the RFL should employ the geniuses that has made the above happen!

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49 minutes ago, Magic XIII said:

Here's the really funny thing about all the small minds debating attendances and oh! how important they are to those with little else to support a SL argument. If we were comparing say 30,000 and 5,000 then wow that's a discernible difference. But we are not. We are comparing 5,000 and 1,500. So the question is more, will Super Club Leigh increase Sky subs  - no they wont. Will Featherstone - no they wont. Will Toulouse - no they wont. Will London or Toronto - more than likely, given a significant number of Sky RL viewers are already based in the SE. Will Leigh's Academy introduce more players to the elite game - no, they don't have one. Will Featherstone Academy - do they have one ? Will Toulouse - possibly. Will London - demonstrably. Do we really think how a 'stadium' looks on TV is really that important rather than the product that takes place in it - has anyone seen NRL games at Sunshine Coast Stadium of late  - any different to Trailfinders ? Think big picture, think beyond small towns with Rugby League justice and fight in their belly.

Thanks for the insult 

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13 minutes ago, Cardypaul said:

Every other club have had the same circumstances and survived. The problem was the business owners lan was based around the owners input and that’s why it failed.

If you actually followed rygby league you would know the UK govenment have provided millions to prop up the game in the UK.

You would also know that SL is playing in empty stadiums to recieve sky money. 

The greedy SL chairman didnt give Toronto a cut of this so while the other clubs benefit from the tv contract Toronto had no income from this

Finally if you follow RL yoy would know that some of tge Toronto players dont have visas to stay long term in the UK as they are employed in Canada!

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Eddie

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1 hour ago, Tommygilf said:

Indeed, people often forget that owners with the biggest wallets are drawn towards the biggest teams too in a self fulfilling relationship.

Yeah there’s a reason why billionaires want to buy Liverpool and Man Utd, and not Southport and Stockport. 

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3 minutes ago, yipyee said:

If you actually followed rygby league you would know the UK govenment have provided millions to prop up the game in the UK.

You would also know that SL is playing in empty stadiums to recieve sky money. 

The greedy SL chairman didnt give Toronto a cut of this so while the other clubs benefit from the tv contract Toronto had no income from this

Finally if you follow RL yoy would know that some of tge Toronto players dont have visas to stay long term in the UK as they are employed in Canada!

Which if they had been a Canadian team ( even with non Canadians ) actually based IN Canada they would/ could have received support from the Canadian govt , if they had been given any of the money provided by the UK govt it would have been ileagal 

Now I agree about the central funding , I stated at the time they should have received it 

If they had been based IN Canada as I stated then the visa's wouldn't have been an issue 

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