Damien Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: Has anyone suggested Welsby for the England side for the World Cup? I’ve not seen anyone suggest so. He’s also been very good this season attacking. He was caught out a bit last night defensively, mind. He's literally suggested and discussed in the posts above the one you quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Damien said: He's literally suggested and discussed in the posts above the one you quoted. Who? Saint Toppy is the post above mine, discussing Farnworth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: Who? Saint Toppy is the post above mine, discussing Farnworth. I said posts. You could have found it in the time it took you to type that. I guess you knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Toppy Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 On 23/04/2021 at 12:17, Man of Kent said: But can England really afford a novice making those kind of basic errors in World Cup year? Defensive reads are fundamental for centres. For all those on here wanting Farnworth at center they should watch last weeks Brisbane game. They conceded 8 tries with 7 of them coming down Brisbane's right side and Farnworth directly at fault for at least 2 of them through poor defensive reads, coming up & in and taking nobody. St.Helens - The Home of record breaking Rugby Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris74 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 If you always do what you always did... I would happily throw a talented youngster (Welsby) with x factor into the side personally. Trueman and Hastings the half backs on current form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 52 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said: For all those on here wanting Farnworth at center they should watch last weeks Brisbane game. They conceded 8 tries with 7 of them coming down Brisbane's right side and Farnworth directly at fault for at least 2 of them through poor defensive reads, coming up & in and taking nobody. Fair enough. As usual, centre is an issue for England. No real standouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Saint Toppy said: For all those on here wanting Farnworth at center they should watch last weeks Brisbane game. They conceded 8 tries with 7 of them coming down Brisbane's right side and Farnworth directly at fault for at least 2 of them through poor defensive reads, coming up & in and taking nobody. Who would you go for in the center's? "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Toppy Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 53 minutes ago, Dunbar said: Who would you go for in the center's? At the moment, unsure as there's no real stand-outs. I think we've got some up & coming centers who show promise (Newman, Wardle, Farnworth, Welsby) but I don't think any of those are yet ready for International level. Based on form over the last year i'd probably go with Hardaker & King, though players like Percival & Gildart have a chance to shine throughout the rest of this season and push for a place. Oh for the days when we had Connelly & Newlove who were as good as anything the Aussies & Kiwi's could produce. St.Helens - The Home of record breaking Rugby Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Toppy Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, boris74 said: If you always do what you always did... I would happily throw a talented youngster (Welsby) with x factor into the side personally. Trueman and Hastings the half backs on current form. Over the last few years and indeed the start of this season the form No. 6 has been Lomax. Quite why past international coaches insisted on putting him at 1 is beyond me when his natural position has always been in the halves. St.Helens - The Home of record breaking Rugby Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said: At the moment, unsure as there's no real stand-outs. I think we've got some up & coming centers who show promise (Newman, Wardle, Farnworth, Welsby) but I don't think any of those are yet ready for International level. Based on form over the last year i'd probably go with Hardaker & King, though players like Percival & Gildart have a chance to shine throughout the rest of this season and push for a place. Oh for the days when we had Connelly & Newlove who were as good as anything the Aussies & Kiwi's could produce. I rate King very highly, he is a quality attacking centre. Hardaker on the other hand is a very poor centre and should only be in the side as either a full back or a utility. I hope that Newman comes back with some form as a centre partnership of King and Newman would be very exciting. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Newman , Wardle , King , Griffin , Herbie , Percival and Gildart . I’d have any of those at centre ahead of Hardaker . Him at centre would be ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughsehhh Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 I've read somewhere that Farnworth has been dropped from the elite training squad by Wane. Something to do with a lack of commitment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Saint Toppy said: Over the last few years and indeed the start of this season the form No. 6 has been Lomax. Quite why past international coaches insisted on putting him at 1 is beyond me when his natural position has always been in the halves. His lack of a kicking game and his habit of going missing when the Saints pack isn’t rampaging down the field perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 was ryan sutton even playing in the raiders team this week? apart from a blunder didn't hear him mentioned see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Farnworth put in a good performance tonight against the Titans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Toppy Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Davo5 said: His lack of a kicking game and his habit of going missing when the Saints pack isn’t rampaging down the field perhaps. Name a current British half back that turns games when their pack isn't at least on par with their opposition ? None of the others mentioned on this thread so far have that ability and none have been as consistently as good over the last few years. St.Helens - The Home of record breaking Rugby Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said: Name a current British half back that turns games when their pack isn't at least on par with their opposition ? None of the others mentioned on this thread so far have that ability and none have been as consistently as good over the last few years. i fear we are in for a pasting this time round - hope not but wouldnt be shocked see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnleywelsh Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 7 hours ago, Hughsehhh said: I've read somewhere that Farnworth has been dropped from the elite training squad by Wane. Something to do with a lack of commitment One thing that Herbie Farnworth cannot be accused of is lack of commitment. The kid is totally dedicated and extremely professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, burnleywelsh said: One thing that Herbie Farnworth cannot be accused of is lack of commitment. The kid is totally dedicated and extremely professional. I completely agree with this. He has shown nothing but dedication and professionalism as he has achieved his goals. He is on the other side of the world, so what is his 'sin'. Did he turn up late or miss a phone call or a zoom meeting, surely that isn't enough to throw him out of the squad entirely. I am actually starting to convince myself of my own conspiracy theory that he has told Wane that he wants to play Origin. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnleywelsh Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 12 hours ago, Saint Toppy said: For all those on here wanting Farnworth at center they should watch last weeks Brisbane game. They conceded 8 tries with 7 of them coming down Brisbane's right side and Farnworth directly at fault for at least 2 of them through poor defensive reads, coming up & in and taking nobody. https://www.broncos.com.au/news/2021/04/23/match-highlights-eels-v-broncos/ To be fair. Farnworth was playing right centre as opposed to his usual left centre position. Against a team running red hot. Herbie and his winger were left isolated on numerous occasions. Some of those tries that you mention, while scored on the Broncos right, were nowhere near where Herbie was defending. You’re entitled to your opinion though. I could only see one try where I would say that he was at fault. You are entitled to your opinion though. But I don’t think that this performance rules him out of international selection when you see what the alternatives are. I wonder how the likes of Watkins, Percival et al would have coped in that game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Just now, Dunbar said: I completely agree with this. He has shown nothing but dedication and professionalism as he has achieved his goals. He is on the other side of the world, so what is his 'sin'. Did he turn up late or miss a phone call or a zoom meeting, surely that isn't enough to throw him out of the squad entirely. I am actually starting to convince myself of my own conspiracy theory that he has told Wane that he wants to play Origin. Very strange . The kid has done amazingly well to get where he is . Hopefully Wane doesnt think hes not english enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnleywelsh Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dunbar said: I completely agree with this. He has shown nothing but dedication and professionalism as he has achieved his goals. He is on the other side of the world, so what is his 'sin'. Did he turn up late or miss a phone call or a zoom meeting, surely that isn't enough to throw him out of the squad entirely. I am actually starting to convince myself of my own conspiracy theory that he has told Wane that he wants to play Origin. He’s as English as you can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 It's intriguing though. I want to know what Wane means by "the players know the standards expected of them as England players. Herbie’s standards have dipped below what I expect. It’s as simple as that". It doesn't sound like a performance issue so what has he done to warrant being thrown out of the squad? "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 There is no issue with Farnworth's form or behaviour off the field but that Wane has sensed a lack of total commitment from the player. Wane said: "I keep a very close eye on the NRL and enjoy regular contact with the England squad players Down Under. "The players know the standards expected of them as England players. Herbie's standards have dipped below what I expect. It's as simple as that." Pass . Maybe his commitments been questioned coz he didnt turn up for the training session Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 59 minutes ago, DavidM said: There is no issue with Farnworth's form or behaviour off the field but that Wane has sensed a lack of total commitment from the player. Wane said: "I keep a very close eye on the NRL and enjoy regular contact with the England squad players Down Under. "The players know the standards expected of them as England players. Herbie's standards have dipped below what I expect. It's as simple as that." Pass . Maybe his commitments been questioned coz he didnt turn up for the training session It’s only 10,200 miles,no commitment these young un’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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