England Team if you were picking it now

[Harry Stottle]

6 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

Herbie has played centre plenty of times 

Yes he has, but he does not play the roll convincingly yet, a centre needs to be an organiser both defensively and on attack he plays an individuals game, watch him closely.

[Moove]

28 minutes ago, daz39 said:

Translated as: 

" Are you seriously suggesting someone who doesn't play in the NRL or one of the Sky cup big boys regardless of how good or well they're playing?

Jake Wardle may have potential but he hasn't come through the academy system of one of the Sky cup big boys so therefore isn't an option!"

 

Not sure it's that controversial for experienced proven internationals and trophy winners like Roby and Clarke to be getting more recognition than and picked ahead of a Huddersfield academy product. You'd have a point if someone was suggesting the likes of Aaron Smith, but they're not.

I'll give you Hodgson though, my Nan can pass faster from dummy half than him.

[Rupert Prince]

3 minutes ago, Moove said:

Not sure it's that controversial for experienced proven internationals and trophy winners like Roby and Clarke to be getting more recognition than and picked ahead of a Huddersfield academy product. You'd have a point if someone was suggesting the likes of Aaron Smith, but they're not.

I'll give you Hodgson though, my Nan can pass faster from dummy half than him.

Hodgson wears a 9, but wants to play as a 7. 

[Bedfordshire Bronco]

1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said:

Yes he has, but he does not play the roll convincingly yet, a centre needs to be an organiser both defensively and on attack he plays an individuals game, watch him closely.

I thought he defended okay in the game against St. George yesterday though Periera did run over him once

[Stanley30]

Lot of people picking too many players who have failed on the world stage previously. Needs a big revamp with more new players for me

[GeordieSaint]

2 minutes ago, Stanley30 said:

Lot of people picking too many players who have failed on the world stage previously. Needs a big revamp with more new players for me

Who then?

[Davo5]

44 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Yes he has, but he does not play the roll convincingly yet, a centre needs to be an organiser both defensively and on attack he plays an individuals game, watch him closely.

To be fair the cupboard is pretty bare.

[DavidM]

54 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said:

Off course he is wearing 7 on his back.  What does that prove?

That he’s playing scrum half . He’s playing like a scrum half - organising , linking play ,doing lots of kicking , creating lots of tries , being a running threat . And his defence is as rock solid as it’s possible to be . 

[Sir Kevin Sinfield]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Ain't you got it Mr Posh, nobody has selected any Leeds player's in their teams thats why Sir Kev resorts to calling people clueless.

Like his namesake even after all the times he was selected the present Leeds players are not good enough for the international arena.

I have no Leeds players in my England 17 above Harry? 

[Sir Kevin Sinfield]

34 minutes ago, Stanley30 said:

Lot of people picking too many players who have failed on the world stage previously. Needs a big revamp with more new players for me

With that criteria you’d rule out every player who’s already played at International level 

Edited August 22, 2020 by Sir Kevin Sinfield

[arcticchris]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Yes he has, but he does not play the roll convincingly yet, a centre needs to be an organiser both defensively and on attack he plays an individuals game, watch him closely.

This year every Brisbane player has been playing an individual game. It’s a bit of a response to their dire form and trying to drag themselves out of a slump.

[Stanley30]

Off the top of my head how about :

evalds

johnstone

griffin

Newman

makinson/manfredi
 

connor

williams

Lees

mcshane

watts

currie

ashurst

whitehead

subs

powell

oledzski

walmsley

Hughes

Edited August 22, 2020 by Stanley30

[Stanley30]

12 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

With that criteria you’d rule out every player who’s already played at International level 

You misread the post, the words “too many” mean not everyone 

[AB90]

7 minutes ago, Stanley30 said:

Off the top of my head how about :

evalds

johnstone

griffin

Newman

makinson/manfredi
 

connor

williams

Lees

mcshane

watts

currie

ashurst

whitehead

subs

powell

oledzski

walmsley

Hughes

Lol we would lose to Samoa by 30 points with this team!

[Rupert Prince]

32 minutes ago, DavidM said:

That he’s playing scrum half . He’s playing like a scrum half - organising , linking play ,doing lots of kicking , creating lots of tries , being a running threat . And his defence is as rock solid as it’s possible to be . 

No. He is playing on the right side of the field.  His other half back if playing left side of the field.

At Wigan he worked on the left with Farrell last season and Bateman before.  Hastings works the right with Farrell this season and I suggest it's not surprising that Farrell is in form at the moment.

Again I ask the question... not only has the traditional 13 disappeared but the traditional 7s job is now done by the 9.  

The 13 always had a big job... now it's done by 2 people, the 6 and 7, both of whom work with one of the second rows.

There are effectively no scrums. So no 13 to lock the scrum. No half at the scrum and no player to stand off the scrum half.  

Edited August 22, 2020 by Rupert Prince
typo

[bobbruce]

I think there’s a few nailed on for there position. Then a few positions were there is a couple of options. I’d expect Wane to already have pencilled in  

1/ Tomkins

2/

3/ Percival

4/ Gildart

5/ Makinson

6/ Lomax

7/ Williams 

8/ Walmsley

9/ Hodgson ( if fit, if not I’d start McShane)

10/T Burgess

11/ Farrell

12/ Bateman

13/ Whitehead

14/ Clarke

15/ Sutton

16/ knowles

17/
 

still left with some very good players to fill the squad out. 

[DavidM]

15 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said:

No. He is playing on the right side of the field.  His other half back if playing left side of the field.

At Wigan he worked on the left with Farrell last season and Bateman before.  Hastings works the right with Farrell this season and I suggest it's not surprising that Farrell is in form at the moment.

Again I ask the question... not only has the traditional 13 disappeared but the traditional 7s job is now done by the 9.  

The 13 always had a big job... now it's done by 2 people, the 6 and 7, both of whom work with one of the second rows.

There are effectively no scrums. So no 13 to lock the scrum. No half at the scrum and no player to stand off the scrum half.  

Yes . He’s  playing scrum half . Regardless of where they’re operating you still have halves playing different , complimentary roles . I think he plays differently to Wighton . I don’t believe in this theory that there’s no scrum half and there’s no stand off etc 

[Davo5]

6 minutes ago, DavidM said:

Yes . He’s  playing scrum half . Regardless of where they’re operating you still have halves playing different , complimentary roles . I think he plays differently to Wighton . I don’t believe in this theory that there’s no scrum half and there’s no stand off etc 

Seems to pop up all over the park in the several games I've watched.

[DavidM]

3 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

Seems to pop up all over the park in the several games I've watched.

Indeed . Nathan Cleary the same ,  take charge , direct and run the game ... like a scrum half 

Edited August 22, 2020 by DavidM

[Sir Kevin Sinfield]

50 minutes ago, Stanley30 said:

You misread the post, the words “too many” mean not everyone 

You pick the best players available, there should be no other criteria than that 

[Skids]

3 hours ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

Herbie has played centre plenty of times 

Manfredi not Farnworth. I thought that would be obvious!

[WN83]

Liam Farrell will hopefully get a role his talent warrants under Wane. He should be a nailed on starter for the national side, playing 80 minutes and bringing that unbelievable energy he brings to the Wigan team to the national side. He’s been criminally under utilised these past few seasons. The guy knocks out figures every week that are mind blowing (tackles, carries, metres, try’s, assists) but his billing never seems to have  matched his talent. It’s always mystified me how he seems to go under the radar. I hear people talk about a lack of size but I don’t buy it. He isn’t playing against dwarfs in superleague and whilst packs internationally do tend to be big, he uses his mobility and his engine to his advantage (no point playing him for 20/30 mins like international coaches have done at times). 

[DavidM]

5 minutes ago, WN83 said:

Liam Farrell will hopefully get a role his talent warrants under Wane. He should be a nailed on starter for the national side, playing 80 minutes and bringing that unbelievable energy he brings to the Wigan team to the national side. He’s been criminally under utilised these past few seasons. The guy knocks out figures every week that are mind blowing (tackles, carries, metres, try’s, assists) but his billing never seems to have  matched his talent. It’s always mystified me how he seems to go under the radar. I hear people talk about a lack of size but I don’t buy it. He isn’t playing against dwarfs in superleague and whilst packs internationally do tend to be big, he uses his mobility and his engine to his advantage (no point playing him for 20/30 mins like international coaches have done at times). 

But we’ve got two of the best second rowers in the world 

[Hela Wigmen]

I’m still shocked people are still persisting with McShane for England shouts. 

[Dunbar]

2 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said:

I’m still shocked people are still persisting with McShane for England shouts. 

I would be happy to see McShane get a go.  He is a very good 9 but happens to be in the one position where we have decent competition for places.

What I can't believe is that people still stick Hodgson in the 13/17.  It isn't just that Hodgson has played badly for England, it is that England play badly when Hodgson plays.  He slows the play down to walking pace and doesn't add any value to the national team at all.  His style may suit the way that Canberra play but is proven time and again it doesn't work for England.