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16 hours ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

They can play at Springfield Park while it’s being done. 

 

15 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

Thick wiganer 

 

14 hours ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

It’s a shame that the Edinburgh fringe was cancelled this year, thus denying the wider world the wit and wisdom of a Latic laffathon. 

Surely this is not the place for Warriors/Athletic squabbling.

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2 hours ago, Jinking Jimmy said:

 

 

Surely this is not the place for Warriors/Athletic squabbling.

Last time I looked, it was a place for Warriors’ fans to comment on league matters. Latics people can go and work themselves into a fury on the Cockney Latics web site. Feel free to go on there and suggest that anti Warriors sentiments are unwelcome. Let us know how you go. 

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20 hours ago, Rupert Prince said:

Yes.  But there were some issues with the pitch with it being repaid every year.  How will that go on?

DW Stadium was built on a bog. The old Robin Park playing fields used to be a public tip , covered over. The Marsh Green housing estate across the road says it all - its marsh land and the authorities actually built a dam up river  near where Central Park used to be at vast cost to attempt to alleviate problems for  DW's next door neighbours Asda ( it only partially works ). Someone  once told me ( yes I know ) that when the stadium was built not enough thought was put into protecting the actual playing surface from what nature and the Victorians had put under it. Great conspiracy theory perhaps but next time you visit just check  out how many methane turrets you can count all around it......

A couple of years ago I believe someone tried to address the problem. But now that Latics are where they are perhaps they can get used to plying their skills on a pitch perhaps less of  the smoothness of a table at the Crucible.......

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12 hours ago, Rupert Prince said:

Whelan has not owned it for a few years.  As I said earlier, there is - or was - some issue with part of the pitch underneath. Some underground concrete structure.

Not that this a matter to worry anyone  outside Wigan. Except for the ground possibly being another primary venue for RL.

Whelan had significant control until 7 November 2018, the RFL would by then already be working out fixtures for 2019 and Wigan Rugby would have put in a request for a fixture window with no home games (they wouldn't know for sure who was going to own the club and stadium). if you look at the 2005 season Wigan had home and away fixtures all through summer as they had since moving in in 1999, in 2006 the rugby had a March - April run of  of away games, this was nothing to do with the pitch though, Latics were still playing at the ground then. 2007 fixtures were normal, this was the year Lenagan bought the club from Whelan. In 2008 there was a series of away games in May to allow the pitch to be relaid  this was also when the first request for Wigan Rugby to move a fixture to avoid criticism about the state of the pitch. In 2009 fixtures were normal. 2010 Wigan played away through May Latics last home game of the season was 3rd May and again there was a break in June 2011. 2011 is significant because that year Lenagan moved the clubs admin out of the JJB to their own new headquarters at Central Park, this brought about a certain amount of tension between Whelan and Lenagan.

As for the site it is purely marsh land that has always been liable to flooding there has never been concrete structures in the area of the stadium footprint.  People get confused with the Pemberton sewage works that was actually to the South East of the stadium.

If you check on old maps the area is identified as marsh land and described as liable to flooding. The only feature that could be under the pitch is an old drain that runs roughly along the 25m line at the South end area running East to West.  This feature disappears though  on maps from the 1920s onwards.

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On 22/08/2020 at 12:11, Rupert Prince said:

I could live with that, but The New Statesman was founded by Socialists and, although I do not subscribe or read it, I believe it still avows socialism.

By all means let people be socialists... like Robert Maxwell(!!) ... its still a free country...but they ought to practice what they preach.  As an example, I do wonder why millionaire socialists (and their MP supporters) are not opening up their mansions to the thousands of economic migrants who are landing on our shores, rather than complaining about the Home Secretary calling in the Royal Navy.

But I digress...  I too can be hypocritucal,  indeed desperate; I will be happy to see multi millionaires if any slant, who pay their taxes, still support RL.

Probably because he is not a Communist

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1 hour ago, del capo said:

DW Stadium was built on a bog. The old Robin Park playing fields used to be a public tip , covered over. The Marsh Green housing estate across the road says it all - its marsh land and the authorities actually built a dam up river  near where Central Park used to be at vast cost to attempt to alleviate problems for  DW's next door neighbours Asda ( it only partially works ). Someone  once told me ( yes I know ) that when the stadium was built not enough thought was put into protecting the actual playing surface from what nature and the Victorians had put under it. Great conspiracy theory perhaps but next time you visit just check  out how many methane turrets you can count all around it......

A couple of years ago I believe someone tried to address the problem. But now that Latics are where they are perhaps they can get used to plying their skills on a pitch perhaps less of  the smoothness of a table at the Crucible.......

The tip ran from roughly were the Close Brook is that runs along the side of Hunter Road and under Scott Lane and across to the Douglas upto Marsh Green Road. The methane vents nearest the stadium are because of sewage not the land fill.

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45 minutes ago, Padge said:

Whelan had significant control until 7 November 2018, the RFL would by then already be working out fixtures for 2019 and Wigan Rugby would have put in a request for a fixture window with no home games (they wouldn't know for sure who was going to own the club and stadium). if you look at the 2005 season Wigan had home and away fixtures all through summer as they had since moving in in 1999, in 2006 the rugby had a March - April run of  of away games, this was nothing to do with the pitch though, Latics were still playing at the ground then. 2007 fixtures were normal, this was the year Lenagan bought the club from Whelan. In 2008 there was a series of away games in May to allow the pitch to be relaid  this was also when the first request for Wigan Rugby to move a fixture to avoid criticism about the state of the pitch. In 2009 fixtures were normal. 2010 Wigan played away through May Latics last home game of the season was 3rd May and again there was a break in June 2011. 2011 is significant because that year Lenagan moved the clubs admin out of the JJB to their own new headquarters at Central Park, this brought about a certain amount of tension between Whelan and Lenagan.

As for the site it is purely marsh land that has always been liable to flooding there has never been concrete structures in the area of the stadium footprint.  People get confused with the Pemberton sewage works that was actually to the South East of the stadium.

If you check on old maps the area is identified as marsh land and described as liable to flooding. The only feature that could be under the pitch is an old drain that runs roughly along the 25m line at the South end area running East to West.  This feature disappears though  on maps from the 1920s onwards.

Perhaps a 3G surface of some type?

(But we are of course getting a bit previous. No one has bought anything yet, but the Latics deadline is close.)

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Have the football club still been insisting the RL club don't play Friday if they're playing Saturday in recent years? Pitch relaying is one thing which in theory is unavoidable  but that was what really caused problems for the rugby league fixture planners.

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16 minutes ago, Padge said:

The tip ran from roughly were the Close Brook is that runs along the side of Hunter Road and under Scott Lane and across to the Douglas upto Marsh Green Road. The methane vents nearest the stadium are because of sewage not the land fill.

Played there as a kid on holiday at my granddads new house ( ex Scholes clearance) in Worsley Hall  in the 50s  ( can you believe that but I was brought up in Ardwick Manchester  ) when Marsh  Green  , Beech hill and everything else were just  planners dreams all the way to Standish.

Total marsh land flood plain all the way to the Douglas and canal.

Unsorted waste  (  recycling only came in recently ) creates at least as much  methane as stewing bogs . There's a mile there of debateable land fill  from the Saddle to the top of Scot lane. If they are not checking that then there will be problems. Amberswood Common in Hindley has them everywhere

Enjoyed my Hols though Padge  ........fishing for newts was invariably successful.......

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16 minutes ago, M j M said:

Have the football club still been insisting the RL club don't play Friday if they're playing Saturday in recent years? Pitch relaying is one thing which in theory is unavoidable  but that was what really caused problems for the rugby league fixture planners.

Early season they have tended to play Sunday occasionally to avoid any problems.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, del capo said:

Played there as a kid on holiday at my granddads new house ( ex Scholes clearance) in Worsley Hall  in the 50s  ( can you believe that but I was brought up in Ardwick Manchester  ) when Marsh  Green  , Beech hill and everything else were just  planners dreams all the way to Standish.

Total marsh land flood plain all the way to the Douglas and canal.

Unsorted waste  (  recycling only came in recently ) creates at least as much  methane as stewing bogs . There's a mile there of debateable land fill  from the Saddle to the top of Scot lane. If they are not checking that then there will be problems. Amberswood Common in Hindley has them everywhere

Enjoyed my Hols though Padge  ........fishing for newts was invariably successful.......

The methane vents further up to the North of the stadium are for the Gant landfill whilst the ones around the East, South and West are for the sewage. Land South of the stadium was formerly a colliery and a couple of chemical works. This became the Robin Park playing fields and athletics track which have long since gone. The whole area is not fit for much considering its past.

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Although expected Latics training ground at Euxton has been confirmed as being sold to Preston N.E.

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2 hours ago, Padge said:

Although expected Latics training ground at Euxton has been confirmed as being sold to Preston N.E.

Wasn't that the one that Bolton used to have? It's like a merry go round.

Where will Athletic train now then? Robin Park?.......part of Lenegan's plan?

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11 minutes ago, DoubleD said:

Wasn't that the one that Bolton used to have? It's like a merry go round.

Where will Athletic train now then? Robin Park?.......part of Lenegan's plan?

They bought that one off Bolton but kept their original training ground at Christopher Park, the first team trained at Euxton the juniors at Christopher Park. I wouldn't be surprised to see Christopher Park go though as it is ideal for housing.

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6 hours ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

Last time I looked, it was a place for Warriors’ fans to comment on league matters. Latics people can go and work themselves into a fury on the Cockney Latics web site. Feel free to go on there and suggest that anti Warriors sentiments are unwelcome. Let us know how you go. 

I am a Wigan Warriors supporter, first and last, and therefore wouldn’t waste my time looking at Cockney Latics. I also wouldn’t be interested in getting into a spat with one of their supporters and certainly not on this forum.

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1 hour ago, DoubleD said:

Wasn't that the one that Bolton used to have? It's like a merry go round.

Where will Athletic train now then? Robin Park?.......part of Lenegan's plan?

The Wigan Athletics shambles was down to the Chinese bookie, not Lenegan.

If these assets are being sold of then the Latics are heading for the Lancashire Combination. There cannot be any outside investor wanting go buy into it if there is no training facility.

If Springfield Park is zoned for sports, it might be difficult to turn into houses.

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6 minutes ago, Jinking Jimmy said:

I am a Wigan Warriors supporter, first and last, and therefore wouldn’t waste my time looking at Cockney Latics. I also wouldn’t be interested in getting into a spat with one of their supporters and certainly not on this forum.

Thete are wider issues here than just the Latics... love them or hate them.

They were comfortably mid table in the Championship, playing well.

Just why was there a change of ownership and then sudden administration?  The events stink of corruption in sport, in this case football. But betting is a dirty dark business

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26 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said:

The Wigan Athletics shambles was down to the Chinese bookie, not Lenegan.

If these assets are being sold of then the Latics are heading for the Lancashire Combination. There cannot be any outside investor wanting go buy into it if there is no training facility.

If Springfield Park is zoned for sports, it might be difficult to turn into houses.

Springfield Park is a housing estate. Christopher Park is the training ground on the edge of another housing estate. There are a lot of training facilities next door to the stadium and just up the road at Central Park Academy.  I can see the council, who want to ensure the soccer club survives, saying to someone coming in for the club that they would look favourably on plans to develop the training ground if it helped to save the club. Christopher Park isn't particularly protected under the councils strategic plan. There are two pitches at Christopher Park, they could even let one go and keep the other.

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This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits.

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4 hours ago, Padge said:

The methane vents further up to the North of the stadium are for the Gant landfill whilst the ones around the East, South and West are for the sewage. Land South of the stadium was formerly a colliery and a couple of chemical works. This became the Robin Park playing fields and athletics track which have long since gone. The whole area is not fit for much considering its past.

Totally agree  Padge

It is a corner of our town reborn but would  you throw a heavy weight  firework in that direction on bonfire night ? . Just asking ......

As for Christopher Park following latest planning directives from Govt --   local view are overlooked  -its housing.....

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4 minutes ago, del capo said:

Totally agree  Padge

It is a corner of our town reborn but would  you throw a heavy weight  firework in that direction on bonfire night ? . Just asking ......

No, just answering. 😀

4 minutes ago, del capo said:

As for Christopher Park following latest planning directives from Govt --   local view are overlooked  -its housing.....

The thing is also that since it isn't a public facility the developer would be under no obligation to find and develop another site to replace it.

And, yes, this government's philosophy seems to be build what you want where you want.

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5 minutes ago, del capo said:

Classic asset stripping taking place

The Admin do what they have to

Latics are bust, The Stadium is up for grabs......

No, asset stripping implies something nefarious going on. What we have here is a fundamentally unsound company being wound up and its assets being liquidated to generate the maximum return for the creditors. 

There may have been some dodgy stuff going on before but that's not the responsibility of the people now acquiring things in the sell off.

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3 minutes ago, del capo said:

Classic asset stripping taking place

The Admin do what they have to

Latics are bust, The Stadium is up for grabs......

The administrators don't really have a choice, they are not working for the football club, what happens to them is not their problem.

The supporters club is trying to raise enough funds to buy a share in the club but if they can get their target of £500,000 by Monday I doubt considering the supporters have already raised £200,000 to pay wages during the admin process.

They really do seem to be up excretia creek without a paddle.

 

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Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king"

 

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1 hour ago, Padge said:

Springfield Park is a housing estate. Christopher Park is the training ground on the edge of another housing estate. There are a lot of training facilities next door to the stadium and just up the road at Central Park Academy.  I can see the council, who want to ensure the soccer club survives, saying to someone coming in for the club that they would look favourably on plans to develop the training ground if it helped to save the club. Christopher Park isn't particularly protected under the councils strategic plan. There are two pitches at Christopher Park, they could even let one go and keep the other.

Apologies.. had Christopher Park on my mine but wrote wrong.  I remember odd sports days there as a kid. No medals for me!

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