Mumby Magic Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Stay with me for this one. I had a dream I was watching a St George vs Roosters. For no reason as it dreams a player delibrately threw the ball forward. What be the ruling be? Plus there is a ruling for deliberate knock on isnt there. Like poor jokes? Thejoketeller@mullymessiah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tms Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mumby Magic said: Plus there is a ruling for deliberate knock on isnt there. Deliberate 1. A player shall be penalised if he deliberately knocks on or passes forward. Accidental 2. If, after knocking-on accidentally, the player knocking-on regains or kicks the ball before it touches the ground, a goal post, cross bar or an opponent, then play shall be allowed to proceed. Otherwise play shall stop and a scrum shall be formed except after the fifth play-the-ball. Charge-down 3. To charge-down a kick is permissible and is not a knock-on. Heading the ball 4. It is illegal to head the ball in a forward direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnyia Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 There is a rule for deliberate forward pass. Deliberate knock on if carrying the ball gets you a court case and a 2 year ban for betting probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 21 minutes ago, barnyia said: There is a rule for deliberate forward pass. Deliberate knock on gets you a court case and a 2 year ban for betting probably If the reciever is in front of the passer when the ball is delivered he is offside, if the receiver runs onto a ball passed forward beyond an imaginary latteral line it is a forward pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 36 minutes ago, POR said: Deliberate 1. A player shall be penalised if he deliberately knocks on or passes forward. Accidental 2. If, after knocking-on accidentally, the player knocking-on regains or kicks the ball before it touches the ground, a goal post, cross bar or an opponent, then play shall be allowed to proceed. Otherwise play shall stop and a scrum shall be formed except after the fifth play-the-ball. Charge-down 3. To charge-down a kick is permissible and is not a knock-on. Heading the ball 4. It is illegal to head the ball in a forward direction. I'm not sure why they have never changed this law, as it isn't a thing nowadays. I believe RU still does penalise the intentional knock on, but sticking an arm out to prevent an overlap try is standard in RL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tms Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, Dave T said: I'm not sure why they have never changed this law, as it isn't a thing nowadays. I believe RU still does penalise the intentional knock on, but sticking an arm out to prevent an overlap try is standard in RL. That's right If the referee decides a player has intentionally knocked on or thrown the ball forward, a penalty is awarded to the other team. And if the referee decides the other team would have scored a try if the intentional knock-on had not taken place, a penalty try is awarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, Dave T said: I'm not sure why they have never changed this law, as it isn't a thing nowadays. I believe RU still does penalise the intentional knock on, but sticking an arm out to prevent an overlap try is standard in RL. It is a stupid rule in either code Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
langpark Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 I disagree. I think it is a good rule (only seen it given once, but it was fully deserved). Jist because it does not happen often does not mean it should not be a rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 20 minutes ago, langpark said: I disagree. I think it is a good rule (only seen it given once, but it was fully deserved). Jist because it does not happen often does not mean it should not be a rule. We see intentional knock ons in most games. They aren't enforced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbrian Fanatic Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dave T said: We see intentional knock ons in most games. They aren't enforced. For this very reason I always thought intentional knock ons weren't an offence, I don't think I ever seen a penalty given for one in Rugby League. I knew an intentional forward pass was 100% League 0% Union Just because I don't know doesn't mean I don't understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Just now, Cumbrian Fanatic said: For this very reason I always thought intentional knock ons weren't an offence, I don't think I ever seen a penalty given for one in Rugby League. I knew an intentional forward pass was Yeah same. No issues with our approach, just not sure why we havent tidied up the laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
langpark Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Hmm, intentional knock-on? Only instance I can think of is in the event of an intercept, bit player can never really know if he is going to catch it clean or not until he attempts it. Is there any other scenario I am missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 2 hours ago, POR said: That's right If the referee decides a player has intentionally knocked on or thrown the ball forward, a penalty is awarded to the other team. And if the referee decides the other team would have scored a try if the intentional knock-on had not taken place, a penalty try is awarded. It regularly gets you tens mins sat on your botty too in union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Completely stupid rule in both codes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Dave T said: We see intentional knock ons in most games. They aren't enforced. Is there not a difference between the deliberate knock on and a knock in while tackling in our rules? Though saying that the deliberate knock on is now never penalise, though I seem to remember one last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 23 minutes ago, dkw said: Is there not a difference between the deliberate knock on and a knock in while tackling in our rules? Though saying that the deliberate knock on is now never penalise, though I seem to remember one last year? Yeah, I think that's around restarts, stealing, accidental etc. - but in terms of the sticking an arm out to stop a pass (which is the definition of intentional knock on) that is ignored. I don't think I have ever seen one, but have in Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Dave T said: Yeah, I think that's around restarts, stealing, accidental etc. - but in terms of the sticking an arm out to stop a pass (which is the definition of intentional knock on) that is ignored. I don't think I have ever seen one, but have in Union. It might be my mind going but I`m sure I remember seeing one penalised not that long ago, cant remember if it was in SL or NRL though, i only remember because of the surprise it was given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mumby Magic Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 Glad noones asked me about the rest of the dream Like poor jokes? Thejoketeller@mullymessiah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mumby Magic said: Glad noones asked me about the rest of the dream I’m not going into my dreams , they’re weird . Especially the one about the giant tortoise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 A deliberate knock on should clearly be a penalty. But proving it's deliberate is very difficult because you can't get into someone's head; the best you can do is rule on the way they knocked it down i.e. did it look like they played for it or not. Tricky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 7 hours ago, langpark said: I disagree. I think it is a good rule (only seen it given once, but it was fully deserved). Jist because it does not happen often does not mean it should not be a rule. This isn't a deliberate knock on , it's a #### take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Saint 1 said: Why? It's bad attack to allow a pass to get knocked down. You get the ball back still, but why should you be further rewarded with a penalty for taking the wrong option in attack? Correct I brought this up last year after watching the union lot give a penalty try and a yellow card for one , the attacking team had a 3 on 1 , but the useless bstewards couldn't even score with that advantage , I couldn't believe they punished the defender Stupid rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tms Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Tonka said: A deliberate knock on should clearly be a penalty. But proving it's deliberate is very difficult because you can't get into someone's head; the best you can do is rule on the way they knocked it down i.e. did it look like they played for it or not. Tricky. would have thought it's the way the ball moves tipping it up in the air ok batting it down to the ground deliberate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, POR said: would have thought it's the way the ball moves tipping it up in the air ok batting it down to the ground deliberate Maybe you were attempting a drop goal ? , Danny McGuire tried that a few years back , then again that was for Leeds , so we know he was just cheating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tms Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: Maybe you were attempting a drop goal ? , Danny McGuire tried that a few years back , then again that was for Leeds , so we know he was just cheating les tonks FEV's number 8 misplaced a pass and as the ball hit the ground put his boot through it and was awarded a drop goal y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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