gingerjon Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share Posted October 21, 2020 9 hours ago, mrfranco said: How much testing do non-league football clubs do, I wonder? The ones that are allowed small crowds in at the moment. Is it as much or less than SL clubs do in RL? I suspect it's much less and surely the same rules should apply to lower league RL to allow safe, well spaced crowds and the same testing regime for players as in non-league football. For reference, clubs at non league level are not required to do any testing. I would also say, from experience, that if I were the government looking at this then the thing that would concern me most now is the take-up on logging in for the trace app. First couple of games I went to, it was close to 100% scanning in with the remainder signing in. Last time I went, that equivalent figure looked to be well under half. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robthegasman Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 For me no crowds no game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Slater Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 20 hours ago, Oldbear said: If fans are allowed in from next spring, what % of capacity is it likely to be? Also I have not got a clue what the current allowed capacity is at Whitehaven, Barrow, Fev? Would a 10-15% capacity limit impact these teams given their usual average crowds? It would be difficult to predict with stadia that has terracing where the absence of anti-crush barriers reduces the capacity. I wonder if common sense would apply to account for the fact that with a small percentage of capacity such barriers wouldn't be needed? Therefore some clubs could meet the distancing requirements with more than 10-15% inside the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Slater Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 If crowds aren't allowed back until April.let's keep our fingers crossed that's its from April 1st, which happens to be Maundy Thursday. If games were played that evening, they could play again on Easter Tuesday, fitting two games in over the weekend, bearing in mind the season can't over-run if we are to fit the Wold Cup in. IMO I would start the league season off in April and use March for the preliminaries of the 1895 Cup, probably split into groups like we did with the NR Cup. If this competition doesn't fall under Sky's jurisdiction then these games could go out on PPV if crowds aren't allowed in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldbear Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Steve Slater said: use March for the preliminaries of the 1895 Cup, probably split into groups like we did with the NR Cup. If this competition doesn't fall under Sky's jurisdiction then these games could go out on PPV if crowds aren't allowed in? Or maybe offer this as a test with limited crowds, say up to 5% of capacity, that way any glitches could be sorted out before the season gets under way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx RL Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Oldbear said: Or maybe offer this as a test with limited crowds, say up to 5% of capacity, that way any glitches could be sorted out before the season gets under way. 5% of capacity would be an increased attendance for a number of league one clubs - Adepto Successu Per Tributum Fuga - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldbear Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 37 minutes ago, Manx RL said: 5% of capacity would be an increased attendance for a number of league one clubs True, but I have no idea what the capacities are at some clubs, some stadia look really small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 9 hours ago, Manx RL said: 5% of capacity would be an increased attendance for a number of league one clubs Maximum crowds if you worked at 5% (from wiki): Barrow 380; Coventry 200; Doncaster 766; Hunslet 200; Keighley 390; London Skolars 100; Newcastle 510; North Wales 100; Rochdale 512; West Wales 185; Workington 500 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabou Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 hour ago, gingerjon said: Maximum crowds if you worked at 5% (from wiki): Barrow 380; Coventry 200; Doncaster 766; Hunslet 200; Keighley 390; London Skolars 100; Newcastle 510; North Wales 100; Rochdale 512; West Wales 185; Workington 500 not too bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Route66 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 The % used in the northern premier league is a percentage of the minimum ground capacity grading,the premier division can have 600 where division 1 is 400. The ridiculousness is that my team Workington with a decent ground official capacity 3500 have 400 ,other teams with a small main stand and basic hard standing can have the same. I would guess if league 1 gives up its elite status 600 will be allowed at all games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 19 minutes ago, Route66 said: The % used in the northern premier league is a percentage of the minimum ground capacity grading,the premier division can have 600 where division 1 is 400. The ridiculousness is that my team Workington with a decent ground official capacity 3500 have 400 ,other teams with a small main stand and basic hard standing can have the same. I would guess if league 1 gives up its elite status 600 will be allowed at all games I suspect giving up 'elite' status could have other ramifications around future funding, grants etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Route66 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 3 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: I suspect giving up 'elite' status could have other ramifications around future funding, grants etc. Could be something in that South shields are complaining that the money that conference north teams are receiving far exceeds what they can make through their restricted gates. How championship/league 1 teams can budget on recruitment is unknown to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Slater Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 On 22/10/2020 at 07:59, gingerjon said: Maximum crowds if you worked at 5% (from wiki): Barrow 380; Coventry 200; Doncaster 766; Hunslet 200; Keighley 390; London Skolars 100; Newcastle 510; North Wales 100; Rochdale 512; West Wales 185; Workington 500 Each ground needs to be assessed separately because while some grounds may be bigger than others they might have inadequate toilet facilities? Some of the upgraded/modern stadia don't usually need to open up all their toilets, but could do so in the time of covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 7 hours ago, Steve Slater said: Each ground needs to be assessed separately because while some grounds may be bigger than others they might have inadequate toilet facilities? Some of the upgraded/modern stadia don't usually need to open up all their toilets, but could do so in the time of covid. If no food or drink is being sold then it's much less of an issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Slater Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 hours ago, GUBRATS said: If no food or drink is being sold then it's much less of an issue Not with my weak bladder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 If you look at the demographic spread of Championship/League 1 crowds I reckon the issue is how many of these fans will be persuaded or confident enough to return. A limitation on ground capacities could be the least of the problems. Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Blind side johnny said: If you look at the demographic spread of Championship/League 1 crowds I reckon the issue is how many of these fans will be persuaded or confident enough to return. A limitation on ground capacities could be the least of the problems. I'll be 3 score in a few weeks John , so getting to the fringe of the ' at risk ' , but I'd feel a whole lot safer stood on the North stand at the LSV wearing a mask than walking round the local ALDI ( other supermarkets are available ) or eating in the local ' spoons ' Who wants to die before watching their team play again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sentoffagain2 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 12 hours ago, Blind side johnny said: If you look at the demographic spread of Championship/League 1 crowds I reckon the issue is how many of these fans will be persuaded or confident enough to return. A limitation on ground capacities could be the least of the problems. I would feel much safer at a R.L. match in the open air than i do in my local supermarket.And for us old un's time marches on we can't afford to miss many seasons there are not many left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 17 hours ago, GUBRATS said: I'll be 3 score in a few weeks John , so getting to the fringe of the ' at risk ' , but I'd feel a whole lot safer stood on the North stand at the LSV wearing a mask than walking round the local ALDI ( other supermarkets are available ) or eating in the local ' spoons ' Who wants to die before watching their team play again ? Yes, I understand, and I am a fair bit older than you. However I do know quite a few fans who will be very circumspect about freely mixing with others, even to follow a team that they have been watching for 60 years. Those of us on here are obsessives, admit it; others may have discovered that their interest or commitment has waned over the many months without. Add to that those who are saying, quite reasonably, that they won't buy a season ticket when they don't know when they might be able to watch again nor how many matches they will be allowed to watch. I believe that attendances will show a dip. Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Blind side johnny said: Yes, I understand, and I am a fair bit older than you. However I do know quite a few fans who will be very circumspect about freely mixing with others, even to follow a team that they have been watching for 60 years. Those of us on here are obsessives, admit it; others may have discovered that their interest or commitment has waned over the many months without. Add to that those who are saying, quite reasonably, that they won't buy a season ticket when they don't know when they might be able to watch again nor how many matches they will be allowed to watch. I believe that attendances will show a dip. Only one way to find out John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rarefrith Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Championship and league one players are gonna be testing positive for Covid all over the place. No real club bubble when many of them are at work through the day. Next season bound to a mess for many reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted October 25, 2020 Author Share Posted October 25, 2020 15 hours ago, Blind side johnny said: I believe that attendances will show a dip. In the examples of places where crowds are now being accepted - which is basically lower tier non league football as we know - the evidence, such as it is, seems to show consistently higher crowds. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 1 hour ago, gingerjon said: In the examples of places where crowds are now being accepted - which is basically lower tier non league football as we know - the evidence, such as it is, seems to show consistently higher crowds. Evidence.......pah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 22 hours ago, GUBRATS said: Only one way to find out John And I look forward to that day Gubby. Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 10 hours ago, gingerjon said: In the examples of places where crowds are now being accepted - which is basically lower tier non league football as we know - the evidence, such as it is, seems to show consistently higher crowds. The flaw is that those crowds, more than likely, include a fair few folk who wouldn't normally be seen dead at lower tier non league football. We can only wait and see. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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