DavidM 10,126 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hela Wigmen said: I suppose it depends on what the 1895 Cup looks like as well. If it goes back to the old format we saw under the National Rail Cup, they’ll get group stages and a guaranteed amount of additional home games. I haven’t met many fans interested in that cup , they weren’t well supported . It’s basically just to pad out a skeletal season for us in league one . Fans want league games - 9 is just disgusting , especially after all this . Even if it means playing teams 3 times , league games mean more to fans .League one is just a leftover , a remnant after everything else is sorted . It wasn’t a few years back but since that year it’s an afterthought treated with little respect Edited November 24, 2020 by DavidM 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DavidM 10,126 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 19 hours ago, Spike said: If a league 1 team is moved to the championship then where does this leave the rest of the lg 1 teams? Nine home games a year quite frankly isn't even scratching the surface of what clubs need to survive and be competitive. League 1 is being cast aside to give the championship the team they need. I understand why the championship want the extra team however the would still have enough for the competition to be viable unlike league 1 How long until league 1 is either made amateur merged with the championship? Making league 1 ametuer would be an absolute disaster, clubs with so much history E.g barrow, town, Doncaster etc would be flushed down the toilet. Surely this isn't how we want the league to go??! The most viable option surely is a merged championship to help preserve as many clubs as possible? Maybe this is me wanting my club to survive Exactly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hela Wigmen 2,272 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, DavidM said: I haven’t met many fans interested in that cup , they weren’t well supported . It’s basically just to pad out a skeletal season for us in league one . Fans want league games - 9 is just disgusting , especially after all this . Even if it means playing teams 3 times , league games mean more to fans .League one is just a leftover , a remnant after everything else is sorted . It wasn’t a few years back but since that year it’s an afterthought treated with little respect Are 1895 Cup games ever on a season ticket though? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DavidM 10,126 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: Are 1895 Cup games ever on a season ticket though? Can’t recall , I think there’s one or two extra for cup or potential play off games Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hela Wigmen 2,272 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, DavidM said: Can’t recall , I think there’s one or two extra for cup or potential play off games Fair enough, wasn’t sure if it was like Super League clubs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hela Wigmen 2,272 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 https://www.rugby-league.com/article/57415/dean-andrew-obe-to-chair-panel-to-determine-th-betfred-championship-club-for- Congratulations to Newcastle Thunder. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the mutt 35 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Hela Wigmen said: https://www.rugby-league.com/article/57415/dean-andrew-obe-to-chair-panel-to-determine-th-betfred-championship-club-for- Congratulations to Newcastle Thunder. At this juncture i would just like to say Up the raiders.thanks.Have thunder got any away fans?When they were gateshead they had 2.Fev and Barrow to go up.i .m.o Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hela Wigmen 2,272 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 52 minutes ago, the mutt said: At this juncture i would just like to say Up the raiders.thanks.Have thunder got any away fans?When they were gateshead they had 2.Fev and Barrow to go up.i .m.o Honestly pal, I couldn’t care less. Give it to two proper clubs with ambition not one former great and one who peaked in the fifties. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Smudger06 945 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 The end seems nigh for League 1. How many Clubs of the 11 can continue at Semi-Pro without a single dime of Central distribution of revenue? Whether that be in the Championship or League 1 ? They got about 3% of the last deal, 3% of this next deal (be lucky to get that off SL) even if they do, simply won't be anywhere near enough to spread out over 3 full seasons, the writing is on the wall. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Smudger06 945 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, Smudger06 said: The end seems nigh for League 1. How many Clubs of the 11 can continue at Semi-Pro without a single dime of Central distribution of revenue? Whether that be in the Championship or League 1 ? They got about 3% of the last deal, 3% of this next deal (be lucky to get that off SL) even if they do, simply won't be anywhere near enough to spread out over 3 full seasons, the writing is on the wall. They could cover the operating costs of a semi pro set up, like home venue, away travel, insurance etc on profit from ticket office, profit from club shop and some sponsorships but they won't be able to pay 20 first team squad players part time wages (rely on dual reg & trialists for cover of injuries, family emergencies, illness etc) like as a minimum a days wage for away match days, half day pay for Home matches and 2 quarter days pw for 52 weeks to cover minimum wage for trg sessions and other club duties. So they ain't gonna be Pro, unless they have money men backing them to cover bare minimum PT player wages. So they are out of RFL and in NCL. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Frisky 958 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Hela Wigmen said: Honestly pal, I couldn’t care less. Give it to two proper clubs with ambition not one former great and one who peaked in the fifties. So Toulouse and Workington to go up then. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Davo5 4,731 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Smudger06 said: They could cover the operating costs of a semi pro set up, like home venue, away travel, insurance etc on profit from ticket office, profit from club shop and some sponsorships but they won't be able to pay 20 first team squad players part time wages (rely on dual reg & trialists for cover of injuries, family emergencies, illness etc) like as a minimum a days wage for away match days, half day pay for Home matches and 2 quarter days pw for 52 weeks to cover minimum wage for trg sessions and other club duties. So they ain't gonna be Pro, unless they have money men backing them to cover bare minimum PT player wages. So they are out of RFL and in NCL. The NCL isn't part of a pyramid structure and has criteria that most L1 clubs won't meet so no they won't be in the NCL. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Smudger06 945 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Davo5 said: The NCL isn't part of a pyramid structure and has criteria that most L1 clubs won't meet so no they won't be in the NCL. It is part of a pyramid structure, its the top of a pyramid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hela Wigmen 2,272 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 33 minutes ago, Mr Frisky said: So Toulouse and Workington to go up then. Toulouse and Newcastle, correct. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Davo5 4,731 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Smudger06 said: It is part of a pyramid structure, its the top of a pyramid. No it's a self contained league that has nothing to do with the semi pro game,if L1 clubs wanted to join they would have to meet the criteria for entry which most don't at present and if accepted would enter the lowest league. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Smudger06 945 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 Just now, Davo5 said: No it's a self contained league that has nothing to do with the semi pro game,if L1 clubs wanted to join they would have to meet the criteria for entry which most don't at present and if accepted would enter the lowest league. Who said it had much to do with the semi pro game? Its part of the RFL through the community board. But anyway. The criteria is a piece of p/ss actually, to a genuine RL Club that wants to continue its existence and can't continue in the professional game that is. Of course, when accepted they would enter the lowest 'Division'. It sits on top of a pyramid, because one of these criteria is that you need 2 open age teams, you need to complete your fixtures at NCL level and also your fixtures at regional level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Smudger06 945 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 Crickey a mere suggestion that if continuing in the pro structure is not an option, a good option to continue the history and existence of a club would be to apply to NCL. That or go even lower to apply or just call it a day. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the mutt 35 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 this expansion obsession,is it only super greed fans that want it?dont remember them being so keen on going over to toronto,which is a great place.shame you missed the opportunity.If toulouse go up you will love the mariachi band. not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie 3,499 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 On 24/11/2020 at 17:48, Hela Wigmen said: https://www.rugby-league.com/article/57415/dean-andrew-obe-to-chair-panel-to-determine-th-betfred-championship-club-for- Congratulations to Newcastle Thunder. Why, a number of the clubs fulfil those criteria to varying extents. I agree Newcastle have the strongest bid though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie 3,499 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 I’ve heard recent championship experience being mentioned as a criteria. Not sure why as my definition anyone with that has failed in that division. Newcastle lost the play off last year and quite obviously have the most potential to grow the game and increase the player pool, as they are already doing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
binosh 156 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 Andy Mazey is a good operator and Rochdale have assembled a very good Champ 1 squad so far. I’d expect them to be in and around the promotion spots. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hela Wigmen 2,272 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 31 minutes ago, Eddie said: Why, a number of the clubs fulfil those criteria to varying extents. I agree Newcastle have the strongest bid though. Was purely tongue in cheek, though they would be the team I would choose if I was part of the panel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PhilCarrington 69 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Hela Wigmen said: Was purely tongue in cheek, though they would be the team I would choose if I was part of the panel. If they do get pushed up, let's hope it goes better than last time in the Championship. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oldbear 825 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, PhilCarrington said: If they do get pushed up, let's hope it goes better than last time in the Championship. The set up is so much more stable than last time, let’s face then we didn’t even know who the owners were! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hela Wigmen 2,272 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 2 hours ago, PhilCarrington said: If they do get pushed up, let's hope it goes better than last time in the Championship. Let’s hope it goes better than last time in the Championship for Barrow, Workington or Rochdale, then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.