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7 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

So will the increase in fans be new fans?

I look forward to seeing some big brands now coming to Super League now that Leigh are in it

I'm having trouble remembering the big brands they brought into Super League the last time they was there, Can you remind me?

Presumably, you know which big brands the other clubs would bring in then? 

Of course, London had years to bring in the big brands and help with the sport's national profile. So plenty of pointers there.

We've been swimming in sponsorship since bringing in a french club, so bring another in.

I mean, you've read all six bids haven't you? Otherwise you're just talking pompous tosh, and that can't be true...

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"We've got a bit of a PR issue lads, in that we're seen as a small-town sport with no ambition and an actual hostility towards anyone who might actually want to attract new fans to the game." "Wh

From the fourth largest city in North America to a satellite town of Wigan. Small towns, small ambitions, small chance of expansion. Great chance of remaining small, parochial and northern. 

Congratulations to Leigh Centurions. If every club in the system had to go through this process then they would be one of the top 12 candidates so full credit to them. I hope they give it a great crac

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4 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Yes our leading clubs, our talisman clubs are just to small and insignificant to grab the public's imagination, it is those clubs who should be spreading the gospel of the sport like Man U's or City, Spurs or Liverpool do for their sport. 

Absolutely, but lets be honest they're still the 3 biggest RL clubs and still the only clubs most members of the public can name.

So the rest need to buck their ideas up.

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15 minutes ago, Man of Kent said:

Sense of perspective needed.

Leigh may be a boring Bill Arthur of a choice but they will fulfil their fixtures, they have no ground/travel issues and they will be fairly competitive. That’s what is needed right now. Filler. 

Very sensible post, and lets not forget that the only reason Leigh are now in SL is that lying, cheating stinking disgrace of a man David Argyle folded the Wolfpack by walking away owing over £3,000,000 in unpaid wages.

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1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:

Professional RL has never been successful in Leigh either! 😂 

London have had poor marketing granted, but Super League clubs struggle to sell against other super league clubs because they're towns/places people don't care about being against or beating.

Well if that's true why did Toronto want to reapply? and why are London & Toulouse wanting in?  

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Congratulations to Leigh. Toulouse will be disappointed but glad Leigh are not a rival for Championship promotion in 2021.

Leigh could simply sign the rest of the Toronto squad and it will be just like old times.

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2 minutes ago, Smudger06 said:

Well if that's true why did Toronto want to reapply? and why are London & Toulouse wanting in?  

Because at least going against fully professional sides, some in cities not villages, helps with the business planning

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31 minutes ago, Colin James said:

It's potentially a huge issue for the Championship where players have jobs to go to, they can't be wrapped in a bubble like SL. Toulouse going up would have solved that problem and also removed a home game with zero away fans.

This is the exact reason why with my 'for the good of the game' cap on, I would've put Toulouse up and said as much on here previously. 

 

 

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From the fourth largest city in North America to a satellite town of Wigan.

Small towns, small ambitions, small chance of expansion.

Great chance of remaining small, parochial and northern. 

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Look good luck to Leigh I have nothing against them.

But what would you think if an athlete who won the gold medal at the Olympics was later disqualified and rather than promote the runner up you had a selection process to decide who should win it and gave it to the athlete who finished 5th, would be a joke wouldn’t it.

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7 minutes ago, Magic XIII said:

Had to laugh, not a mention of this monumentous (on these boards) decision on the BBC Sport homepage, in fact it looks like they have removed rugby league from the page header in disgust 🙂

Lead story in the RL section, which I still see in the header on desktop.

Am sure promoting London, Toulouse or York would've been above Gerard Houllier and Champions League build up though.

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9 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said:

Did they ever get a 10,000 crowd in Toronto, let alone have an average of that figure?

For the 2nd million pound game, Toronto were apparently fine by the city for going over the fire capacity of 10,000 people in Lamport. That was reported by the a staff of the Wolfpack but I’ve got no way to verify. 

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Just now, Eddie said:

They never played a SL game in Toronto. 

So, it’s an assumption rather than the matter of fact nature you spoke in a couple of pages back. They may have, we’ll not know. They might have peaked at around the 8000 mark we were told they were getting at Lamport. 

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13 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said:

Did they ever get a 10,000 crowd in Toronto, let alone have an average of that figure?

2019 final was closer to 12000. trust me I was there

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13 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Professional RL has never been successful in Leigh either! 😂 

London have had poor marketing granted, but Super League clubs struggle to sell against other super league clubs because they're towns/places people don't care about being against or beating.

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5 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Because at least going against fully professional sides, some in cities not villages, helps with the business planning

Leeds need to start pulling their socks up, in a village of 790,000. 11 or 12 k at Headingley? We only get 9k less playing 2nd tier in a town of 15,000. Shocking.    

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The criteria used was a complete farce, really. That’s not any bitterness towards Leigh, they have the stadium, they have a decent playing squad in comparison to the other applicants and they had a decent average in the 2017 season in Super League, but how we could attempt to judge the commercial value of the competition or how they can help us reach the goals set out based on these sides getting a minimum of one year in the competition, as we approach what many see as a defining moment for the game with the next TV deal, just seems unnecessary when we have no clear vision for the 2022 season and beyond. 

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4 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said:

So, it’s an assumption rather than the matter of fact nature you spoke in a couple of pages back. They may have, we’ll not know. They might have peaked at around the 8000 mark we were told they were getting at Lamport. 

This forum is about opinions, and what I said was quite obviously an opinion not a fact. Something happening theoretically in the future can’t be a fact. 

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3 minutes ago, Smudger06 said:

Leeds need to start pulling their socks up, in a village of 790,000. 11 or 12 k at Headingley? We only get 9k less playing 2nd tier in a town of 15,000. Shocking.    

Its always a fun job when you pop to the bank to deposit your size/attendance ratio. Pouring out all them little ratios on to the counter and seeing them put them through the ratio counting machines. 

Banks love ratios and they are really useful instruments 

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30 minutes ago, EagleEyePie said:

The process has ended up choosing the club that looks the best placed to compete in Super League next year given the short notice and the probably the best placed to cope with any covid-related issues as Derek Beaumont has presumably said he'll foot the bill. They should also boost the attendances of local teams with away followings and benefit from good away followings themselves in what is a difficult time for clubs financially. It's a sensible decision, if that's all that the criteria was.

The problem is they built it up to be more than that. The report into Toronto certainly didn't help things when they questioned the commercial value of a club in Toronto and called it a crowded market. Then they added into the criteria that the new club would have to increase the commercial value of Super League. That sets lofty ambitions that ultimately Leigh don't really fulfil. After all, when it comes to a crowded market they've basically added a team competing for largely the same local fan base as Wigan (and potentially Warrington and Salford too in some areas).

Leigh don't increase the commercial value of Super League. Super League wasn't a commercial juggernaut when Leigh were previously in the competition. They might bring slightly more away fans to games on the western side of the M62 though. Ultimately that's what was more appealing.

This is a short term decision but the process made it come across as something much more than that. So now we've had Toronto kicked out for being not commercially valuable and then made a song and dance about who the new club would be, provided several big city options with Bradford, London, Toulouse and York and then announced that Leigh is the way forward. It comes across to those within the game as being insular, and probably to those from the outside looking in as a bit embarrassing.

Precisely this........summed it up better than I could. There is nothing more to add

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