The Partisan Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) Genuine curiousity question .. Who had the striped red and white design first .....England or Wigan ..and did it ever cause any issues ? Ask as recall seeing the England team in hoops for the test v Australia a few years back. Ditto Wakefield and Great Britain and blue and red chevrons ? Edited December 12, 2020 by The Partisan The Rugby League Fan's Mantra for helping the game grow internationally is ten two-letter words - IF IT IS TO BE, IT IS UP TO ME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wholly Trinity Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, The Partisan said: Genuine curiousity question .. Who had the striped red and white design first .....England or Wigan ..and did it ever cause any issues ? Ask as recall seeing the England team in hoops for the test v Australia a few years back. Ditto Wakefield and Great Britain and blue and red chevrons ? Good question. As far as Wakefield go, I can't give a definitive answer, but I would think GB were first. Wakefield played in blue with a red band from the 19th century. I think the 1959/60 season was the first mainly white shirt with red and blue bands. They won the 1963 cup final in the blue/red chevrons. Great Britain won the 1954 world cup wearing blue/red chevrons and I don't think Wakefield wore such a kit until the 1960s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, The Partisan said: Genuine curiousity question .. Who had the striped red and white design first .....England or Wigan ..and did it ever cause any issues ? Ask as recall seeing the England team in hoops for the test v Australia a few years back. Ditto Wakefield and Great Britain and blue and red chevrons ? Wigan originally played in Blue hoops 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramon Rojo Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 As regards the distinct similarity between the Wakefield and Rochdale Hornets blue shirt with red band & white shirt with red band designs, who had them first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) England Rugby Union pre split had a red and white hooped shirt, the famous painting shows it and they had an away shirt dedicated to it a few years back. I believe for the England NU team red and white hoops were kept from the RU days and to some extent represented Yorkshire and Lancashire, similar to how the original Australia RL jerseys were sky blue and maroon to represent NSW and Queensland. Apologies it seems it was a Lancashire RU shirt Edited December 12, 2020 by Tommygilf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M j M Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Weren't Leigh first? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Would Lancashire have used those colours before both Wigan and England?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeytherRob Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 40 minutes ago, M j M said: Weren't Leigh first? Leigh did come before Wigan, not sure about England though. Leigh gave Wigan their first cherry and white hooped kit I believe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweaty craiq Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Wigan first played in C&W hoops in 1885, blue before that, the rumour is that Leigh had provided them a kit to help out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Prince Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, sweaty craiq said: Wigan first played in C&W hoops in 1885, blue before that, the rumour is that Leigh had provided them a kit to help out Leigh are red and white I believe. Wigan for some reason changed at some point to cherry. Perhaps they borrowed it from Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweaty craiq Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said: Leigh are red and white I believe. Wigan for some reason changed at some point to cherry. Perhaps they borrowed it from Japan. Leigh were/are always Cherry from 1878, borrowed ours at start of 1885 season the club you claim to be formed in 1872 died and became today’s club much later in 1879 as Wasps or 1881 when going back to Wigan fc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DI Keith Fowler Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Original Northern Union shirt was red, yellow and white stripes with I think white shorts and navy socks. Think one of the Leeds Unis did some kind of spectral analysis on an old photo and found the yellow in the shirt, everyone presumed it was just red and white hoops. They made a number of the shirts to buy. 7 I was born to run a club like this. Number 1, I do not spook easily, and those who think I do, are wasting their time, with their surprise attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyjamarama Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, sweaty craiq said: Leigh were/are always Cherry from 1878, borrowed ours at start of 1885 season the club you claim to be formed in 1872 died and became today’s club much later in 1879 as Wasps or 1881 when going back to Wigan fc There's an interesting article at the very end of the "Cherry & White" section of the "Early Wigan Rugby" website & virtual museum, which clearly disputes the story that Wigan borrowed a set of cherry & white shirts from Leigh. It also mentions that the Leigh club disbanded in 1882 & didn't exist between 1882 & 1885. https://www.earlywiganrugby.co.uk/1879-1895/cherrywhite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Prince Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Pyjamarama said: There's an interesting article at the very end of the "Cherry & White" section of the "Early Wigan Rugby" website & virtual museum, which clearly disputes the story that Wigan borrowed a set of cherry & white shirts from Leigh. It also mentions that the Leigh club disbanded in 1882 & didn't exist between 1882 & 1885. https://www.earlywiganrugby.co.uk/1879-1895/cherrywhite Interesting. Irrespective of any of that both clubs generally seemed to wear red and white, certainly up to the Super League ... although my memory tells me that Wigan would wear cherry in Challenge Cup Finals. Was Murphy wearing cherry and white when when he winked at Sid Hynes as he was stretchered off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweaty craiq Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Pyjamarama said: There's an interesting article at the very end of the "Cherry & White" section of the "Early Wigan Rugby" website & virtual museum, which clearly disputes the story that Wigan borrowed a set of cherry & white shirts from Leigh. It also mentions that the Leigh club disbanded in 1882 & didn't exist between 1882 & 1885. https://www.earlywiganrugby.co.uk/1879-1895/cherrywhite A second team sprung up in Leigh in 1881/2 taking with them a number of 'Leigh' players which caused issues but the 2 clubs went back to being one very quickly and in 1886 went through the season unbeaten. That may be how in 85 we borrowed you a kit as 2 teams became 1 again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyjamarama Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, sweaty craiq said: A second team sprung up in Leigh in 1881/2 taking with them a number of 'Leigh' players which caused issues but the 2 clubs went back to being one very quickly and in 1886 went through the season unbeaten. That may be how in 85 we borrowed you a kit as 2 teams became 1 again Ah right! I just thought that it was interesting that the evidence presented in the website does appear to disprove the 'borrowed kit' story. Maybe you have evidence which contradicts this. If so, fair play. It would be nice to see it & perhaps get the said website corrected (as invited to do by the website itself). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 4 hours ago, DI Keith Fowler said: Original Northern Union shirt was red, yellow and white stripes with I think white shorts and navy socks. Think one of the Leeds Unis did some kind of spectral analysis on an old photo and found the yellow in the shirt, everyone presumed it was just red and white hoops. They made a number of the shirts to buy. quality strip 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iffleyox Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Wanderer said: quality strip Given I’m sitting here in an Ellis Rugby 1960 Trin shirt as I type... I’d buy/wear that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, iffleyox said: Given I’m sitting here in an Ellis Rugby 1960 Trin shirt as I type... I’d buy/wear that. obviously a connoisseur in the kit department 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweaty craiq Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Pyjamarama said: Ah right! I just thought that it was interesting that the evidence presented in the website does appear to disprove the 'borrowed kit' story. Maybe you have evidence which contradicts this. If so, fair play. It would be nice to see it & perhaps get the said website corrected (as invited to do by the website itself). If never proven either way - all are dead now - then it just keeps the banter alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plow Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 On a side note I’d love England to adopt GB colour and badge. Would be better than England current identity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Prince Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 52 minutes ago, Mr Plow said: On a side note I’d love England to adopt GB colour and badge. Would be better than England current identity Yes. There is no reason why the blue can be somewhat less prominent than the red. And England Football have 3 lions, so England could easily have 1. But remembering 1966 and all that, I do not see why we cannot wear all red jerseys of some classy' striking design. Assuming it has to have a V though, I wonder what colour that should be. (I see I am getting drawn into kit designs, I must be getting old) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Prince Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Wanderer said: quality strip Yes. Red and White roses. Did Cumberland and Westmorland object? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Tim Whatley Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 9 hours ago, DI Keith Fowler said: Original Northern Union shirt was red, yellow and white stripes with I think white shorts and navy socks. Think one of the Leeds Unis did some kind of spectral analysis on an old photo and found the yellow in the shirt, everyone presumed it was just red and white hoops. They made a number of the shirts to buy. PHWOAR!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnleywelsh Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Dr Tim Whatley said: PHWOAR!!! Looks like a Fylde RU Shirt to me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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