The Rocket Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 On 15/12/2020 at 23:46, Rugbyleaguesupporter said: According to Simon Johnson, value is the same but RFL have digital rights Enhancement is coverage of Womens and Wheelchair rugby. Good deal overall. If you don`t mind putting on my economists hat for a minute, if the RFL have negotiated a deal that has maintained the monetary value of the deal from last time and included Womens and Wheelchair League in the package that is better than good, I`d say in this current media environment, fantastic. And I forgot to mention, maintained the digital rights as well. It`s important to keep in mind that in an economy with very low or non existent inflation the price of a particular good or product may actually increase its `real `value over time even when the monetary value remains the same. Given that these extras have been included in the deal, I would say that this represents a very definite increase in the `real` value of the package That`s an outstanding result given that media rights values for most sports, let alone for a sport like RL in Britain, have declined by anywhere from 10 - 30 %. I don`t want to pigeon-hole anyone, but wouldn`t it be great to have Adam Hills and his popular public personsa getting involved somehow , I am speaking from afar but isn`t he on the BBC as well. Maybe the RFL could offer him a `play of the week` to televise. That sort of thing could be viewed as inspirational to anyone, and I mean anyone, physically challenged or otherwise, watching his show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rocket Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 10 hours ago, yipyee said: Maintained the same monatry value and added in wheelchair and women. It therefore is less value?!?! If inflation was running at 3-4 % and you had received the same amount as last time then that would be a definite decrease in its value. " less value?" hopefully the BBC have not reduced the coverage of the main competitions to offset the cost of the two new forms. They may well have tightened up their budget in this area. But I take your point. The RFL can`t really expect to increase the size of the contract by providing womens and wheelchair League, any other broadcaster may insist that they, the RFL, pay production costs before they even aired it. The RFL would have funded these anyway, like the BBC, large organisations have to have social inclusion policies nowadays, that`s life and in my opinion it`s o.k, I imagine that the RFL will just be glad to have it on TV where they may even attract a few sponsors to offset their own costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 7 hours ago, The Rocket said: If inflation was running at 3-4 % and you had received the same amount as last time then that would be a definite decrease in its value. " less value?" hopefully the BBC have not reduced the coverage of the main competitions to offset the cost of the two new forms. They may well have tightened up their budget in this area. But I take your point. The RFL can`t really expect to increase the size of the contract by providing womens and wheelchair League, any other broadcaster may insist that they, the RFL, pay production costs before they even aired it. The RFL would have funded these anyway, like the BBC, large organisations have to have social inclusion policies nowadays, that`s life and in my opinion it`s o.k, I imagine that the RFL will just be glad to have it on TV where they may even attract a few sponsors to offset their own costs. By the way i am pleased the whole tournament will be televised. Its just not looking to the future. With tennis, soccer and now union moving to online tv i would have thought this a better vehicle as well as potentially having a global audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Drake Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Various posts removed. If you want to discuss the Rugby League Challenge Cup TV deal, do it here. If you want to discuss the quality or otherwise of the BBC's other output, do it in AOB. If you want to discuss the merits or otherwise of the TV licence fee, do it in the politics sub-forum. Thank you. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 hour ago, John Drake said: Various posts removed. If you want to discuss the Rugby League Challenge Cup TV deal, do it here. If you want to discuss the quality or otherwise of the BBC's other output, do it in AOB. If you want to discuss the merits or otherwise of the TV licence fee, do it in the politics sub-forum. Thank you. Boooo I still don't know if yipyee got my ask Alexa joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 I must admit I'm never any wiser when the above happens. I mean I can see what was wrong but without knowing the posts ........ Still one question I've not seen an answer to, anywhere: How much did Aunty give us for the CC rights? and if this is true "Maintained the same monatry value and added in wheelchair and women. " The people who negotiated this must be the same ones talking to the EU! 2 warning points Non-Political Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigbyLuger Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 That question of cash never seems to be answered. Perhaps one of the journalists could ask and find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugbyleaguesupporter Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Prem rugby got £37.5m a year, slightly down for 3 year deal European plus internationals still to be sold for 2022 onwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rocket Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Rugbyleaguesupporter said: Prem rugby got £37.5m a year, slightly down for 3 year deal European plus internationals still to be sold for 2022 onwards Excuse my ignorance, but are you quoting what the Premier Rugby Union got with their Sky/BT ? deal there ? and previously it was 40m ? And you are using this as a yardstick to compare what sort of proportional reduction that the Super League may receive ? Assuming that all the above is correct, I have heard that Premier Union doesn`t even rate as well as League, how come the discrepancy then in amounts, do they offer more product, I find that hard to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotchy1 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 47 minutes ago, The Rocket said: Excuse my ignorance, but are you quoting what the Premier Rugby Union got with their Sky/BT ? deal there ? and previously it was 40m ? And you are using this as a yardstick to compare what sort of proportional reduction that the Super League may receive ? Assuming that all the above is correct, I have heard that Premier Union doesn`t even rate as well as League, how come the discrepancy then in amounts, do they offer more product, I find that hard to believe. It used to be the case. 25 years ago the saying was RU had the International game RL the club game. Now the ru premiership has about 80% higher attendances. Their lower attendances are bigger than 3 or 4 of our clubs averages. Their biggest much bigger. Union has grown massively since professionalism while RL has gone backwards over the last 6 or 7 years massively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugbyleaguesupporter Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 If you follow link on BBC website, BT agreed today a 3 year deal for 2021 to 2024 for £110m. BT have agreed to waive any Covid refund due. It's a small reduction on their existing £40m a year deal. Ratings are complicated but they are broadly similar. Unfortunately I think Super League will receive a smaller deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rocket Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, Scotchy1 said: It used to be the case. 25 years ago the saying was RU had the International game RL the club game. Now the ru premiership has about 80% higher attendances. Their lower attendances are bigger than 3 or 4 of our clubs averages. Their biggest much bigger. Union has grown massively since professionalism while RL has gone backwards over the last 6 or 7 years massively Bummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotchy1 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 minute ago, The Rocket said: Bummer. Consequences of choices made sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OL14.yeds Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 I have BT Sport at home, and I’ve just had a go at seeing if Wasps vs Montpellier would quench my thirst for some live rugby action. The spectacle on the field is terrible (with my RL-tinted glasses on, obviously) but otherwise, I thought the whole production is a bit flat. I know folk moan about the likes of Phil Clarke and Tez and Baz, but that Union lot could talk a glass eye to sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 2 hours ago, The Rocket said: Excuse my ignorance, but are you quoting what the Premier Rugby Union got with their Sky/BT ? deal there ? and previously it was 40m ? And you are using this as a yardstick to compare what sort of proportional reduction that the Super League may receive ? Assuming that all the above is correct, I have heard that Premier Union doesn`t even rate as well as League, how come the discrepancy then in amounts, do they offer more product, I find that hard to believe. It's hard to compare like for like as the channel setup is different, often SL games are on Arena or Mix as Sky have gone down a dedicate channel route, and they have far more high profile sports that can keep RL off the Main Event channel versus BT which uses the more traditional 1,2 and 3 setup. The Grand Finals saw RU get 256k and SL get 350k when both games were shown on the main channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rocket Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Dave T said: The Grand Finals saw RU get 256k and SL get 350k when both games were shown on the main channel. For what you would expect to be the biggest game of the year that is a stark difference. Is that sort of difference typical of the relative difference in viewing figures for regular season games or is this a result of League being on the main channel for the GF. Either way that must be extremely frustrating for a League fan, but it must also give you some cause for hope. I like to think in the long run the truth will out, or that there is some form of natural justice out there, we just have to keep pushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 4 hours ago, The Rocket said: For what you would expect to be the biggest game of the year that is a stark difference. Is that sort of difference typical of the relative difference in viewing figures for regular season games or is this a result of League being on the main channel for the GF. Either way that must be extremely frustrating for a League fan, but it must also give you some cause for hope. I like to think in the long run the truth will out, or that there is some form of natural justice out there, we just have to keep pushing. If you get like for like Channel selection, League still does well versus Union. At least the same for regular league games really, and as the GF shows, often higher. As I say, because of Channel hierarchy they are difficult to compare. Despite claims that SL has declined, the GF figure was the 2nd highest of the last decade, behind last year which was highest. We can still return good figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 16 hours ago, Spidey said: Boooo I still don't know if yipyee got my ask Alexa joke I did ha, Should we be discussing this in the ask alexa vs siri vs google which is better sub forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 8 hours ago, Dave T said: It's hard to compare like for like as the channel setup is different, often SL games are on Arena or Mix as Sky have gone down a dedicate channel route, and they have far more high profile sports that can keep RL off the Main Event channel versus BT which uses the more traditional 1,2 and 3 setup. The Grand Finals saw RU get 256k and SL get 350k when both games were shown on the main channel. A lot of RL is on the main channel as there is not much competition on thursday and friday nights. Its only now all games are being televised in soccer and RL that theres an issue especially as soccer are playing 2 games a week catch up. The main event channel is a good concept as i would imagine pubs would leave this on (when open) so we would end up on more tvs nationally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rocket Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 20 hours ago, yipyee said: By the way i am pleased the whole tournament will be televised. Its just not looking to the future. With tennis, soccer and now union moving to online tv i would have thought this a better vehicle as well as potentially having a global audience. I suppose for the present FTA isn`t a bad way for League to go, especially with your main comp behind a paywall on Sky. Every one `s got a TV and therefore more likely to stumble across it or have look to check it out. For a niche sport like League in your part of the world that mightn`t be a bad thing. FTA does have that advantage, you are potentially exposed to a much wider audience, at least domestically. The fact that they are hanging on to the digital rights is a good sign though. Over here our free to air broadcaster, channel 9, were not happy that the NRL wouldn`t relinquish the digital rights, in fact it is one of the sticking points why they wouldn`t extend, The NRL have gone one further and told Telstra, the domestic mobile phone carrier, that they will no longer have access to the digital rights either from the end of the year. The NRL want the whole thing for themselves, it`s a very interesting situation, they must have big plans for them. From what I read 9 wants both because it allows them to offer so many asides to their FTA coverage, they can cross promote etc, and with everyone being on-line now they can refer people over to their digital platform and vice-versa. And of course they can bombard people with promos for other shows on their platforms. Virtuous circle. The fact that your mob are hanging onto those rights sounds promising to me. I think I read a few months back that the OURLEAGUE app had hit 150 000 subscribers, There may be some sort of tie in going on there, perhaps then they can start to think about commercialising it and creating some value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 2 hours ago, yipyee said: A lot of RL is on the main channel as there is not much competition on thursday and friday nights. Its only now all games are being televised in soccer and RL that theres an issue especially as soccer are playing 2 games a week catch up. The main event channel is a good concept as i would imagine pubs would leave this on (when open) so we would end up on more tvs nationally That's not really true. We get some main event coverage, but nowhere near as much time on the main channel as when we used to be on SS1 or 2. There is a lot of competition with things like Darts and Cricket, plus golf, US sports and football overlaps with a lot of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotchy1 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Dave T said: If you get like for like Channel selection, League still does well versus Union. At least the same for regular league games really, and as the GF shows, often higher. As I say, because of Channel hierarchy they are difficult to compare. Despite claims that SL has declined, the GF figure was the 2nd highest of the last decade, behind last year which was highest. We can still return good figures. The grand final audience was fantastic. Normal figures are down substantially over the last 5/6years since the sky sports change. Even the challenge Cup viewing figures have collapsed from about 8m in 2011 to about 4.5m in 2018 Internationals have been where the growth is, though still limited they reach more people, a more diverse range of people, more people from the South, more people with money and so, obviously, we barely play them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live after death Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 On 15/12/2020 at 12:35, Damien said: I don't mind him. He clearly loves the game and is enthusiastic about it. He is also a personality that is known nationwide. Agree Jiffy always been a great ambassador fir our game and always considered himself as a Rugby player not league or union Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live after death Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 On 15/12/2020 at 12:12, Spidey said: Enhanced you say...... No extea money, just a promise to not keep showing over head shots if surrounding rows of Terrace houses, even if the are nit any terrace houses within 2 mikes if the stadium. and vowed never to show Don Foxs missed kick ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Dave T said: That's not really true. We get some main event coverage, but nowhere near as much time on the main channel as when we used to be on SS1 or 2. There is a lot of competition with things like Darts and Cricket, plus golf, US sports and football overlaps with a lot of the season. Not on a thursday and friday night though Soccer play midweek and sat/sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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