PhilCarrington Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 On to the second page and no-one's taken George Best as their inspiration. I'd spend a lot of the money on booze, birds and fast cars, the rest I'd just squander. Sadly, this may be a better suggestion than how it would actually get spent if it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedfordshire Bronco Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 2 hours ago, GUBRATS said: So you get a return in 40 years time ? Its a long term plan sure but that is where the game grows.... You ain't converting many adults who have never played or watched league before in my view Not sure where you get 40 years from If you inspire and enthuse say 9-14 year olds then you have parents who will help them watch games /buy tickets /buy merch....give it 5-10 years many may be doing it themselves.... Hopefully for many years to come More kids playing also equals a very quick return on new players.... Get an athletic kid at 10 and he can be in SL in 8 years.... I believe LMS had never played rugby until he was 16....he played in SL what 3/4 years later.... Development can be rapid This can be both genders and away from heartland areas too Most of us on this forum are 40+ males I suspect.... Probably most from the heartlands.... A shrinking market Short term ism = long term decline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedfordshire Bronco Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 10 hours ago, ShropshireBull said: A 6000 capacity 3g stadium in Wrexham for North Wales Crusaders and a fully funded academy in South Wales . That way, Welsh players have a clear pathway from youth, profesional RL and then regular internationals vs Eng and France in a tri - Four Nations tournament. A RL six nations style tournament is the only way you get a ROI and grow the game. Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said: Its a long term plan sure but that is where the game grows.... You ain't converting many adults who have never played or watched league before in my view Not sure where you get 40 years from If you inspire and enthuse say 9-14 year olds then you have parents who will help them watch games /buy tickets /buy merch....give it 5-10 years many may be doing it themselves.... Hopefully for many years to come More kids playing also equals a very quick return on new players.... Get an athletic kid at 10 and he can be in SL in 8 years.... I believe LMS had never played rugby until he was 16....he played in SL what 3/4 years later.... Development can be rapid This can be both genders and away from heartland areas too Most of us on this forum are 40+ males I suspect.... Probably most from the heartlands.... A shrinking market Short term ism = long term decline You can't borrow against a long term future that might or might not pay off , if they take PE they need to start to see some return within 2/3 years And there isn't necessarily a corellation between kids playing and paying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedfordshire Bronco Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Just now, GUBRATS said: You can't borrow against a long term future that might or might not pay off , if they take PE they need to start to see some return within 2/3 years And there isn't necessarily a corellation between kids playing and paying Any talk of 2/3 year investing will kill the game long term I have huge amounts of personal experience that playing rugby of both codes at an early age means people still follow and plough money into the game. I can literally name dozens of people I played with in youth set up who still go to games and buy shirts etc Not sure where your evidence of no correlation is from? It also defies common sense. The passion from playing as a kid (and adult) has to be the main driver for increasing interest across any sport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Development officers are great but we've seen what happens when the funding runs out, the game is left with nothing. Invest in assets that provide the game with revenues forever more and the game can fund development officers properly and not just on the whim of Sports England funding. Likewise buying assets in terms of facilities to grow proper strong roots and not be dependent on the whims of other sports. With decreased revenue percentage increasing revenue would be key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 of Us Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Leadership Training and new balls http://www.wiganstpats.org Producing Players Since 1910 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklaspalmas Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Invest it all on a solid future: 1. Artistic impressions of the new stands we should have built 20 years ago. 2. Wages for 2nd rate antipodeans to fill the first team squad to keep us in SL. https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldbear Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 2 hours ago, marklaspalmas said: 2. Wages for 2nd rate antipodeans to fill the first team squad to keep us in SL. Sadly if the clubs get their way this is exactly how it will be spent, not just 2nd raters but also over the hill antipodeans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadera78 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 8 hours ago, JohnM said: Hmmm. Don't agree. Theyll have to grow the size of the pie to get any reasonable return The terms of the deal that have been leaked suggest not. The Investors would take £7m each year, meaning they'd recoup their investment in less than 9 years. That's by doing no work whatsoever. "Just as we had been Cathars, we were treizistes, men apart." Jean Roque, Calendrier-revue du Racing-Club Albigeois, 1958-1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadera78 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 8 hours ago, JohnM said: "Just as we had been Cathars, we were treizistes, men apart." Jean Roque, Calendrier-revue du Racing-Club Albigeois, 1958-1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 9 years? Leaked, as you say, or stolen. Either way, 9 years doesn't sound very short term, does it. In any case, the objections seem to be about a philosophical rejection of PE in principle. This is worth a read. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-10-03/how-private-equity-works-and-took-over-everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 4 hours ago, JohnM said: 9 years? Leaked, as you say, or stolen. Either way, 9 years doesn't sound very short term, does it. In any case, the objections seem to be about a philosophical rejection of PE in principle. This is worth a read. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-10-03/how-private-equity-works-and-took-over-everything No the objections are because of what PE is, what is does and what it would mean for RL going forward. I don't think people's personal philosophies have much to do with it unless you are trying to get into a political debate. The 9 years figure that Nadera quotes is obviously if a PE company doesn't do a thing and takes its TV money cut after giving £50 million in cash from its own pocket. PE doesnt work like that though. In reality a PE company would load up Super League with debt and put in little so that it gets much higher returns. A PE company could easily buy its stake in Super League for £50 million but only use £10 million of its own cash and load £40 million of debt onto Super League. Using Nadera's £7 million a year TV cut figure it could then bail after 5 years with a £25 million profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotchy1 Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, Damien said: No the objections are because of what PE is, what is does and what it would mean for RL going forward. I don't think people's personal philosophies have much to do with it unless you are trying to get into a political debate. The 9 years figure that Nadera quotes is obviously if a PE company doesn't do a thing and takes its TV money cut after giving £50 million in cash from its own pocket. PE doesnt work like that though. In reality a PE company would load up Super League with debt and put in little so that it gets much higher returns. A PE company could easily buy its stake in Super League for £50 million but only use £10 million of its own cash and load £40 million of debt onto Super League. Using Nadera's £7 million a year TV cut figure it could then bail after 5 years with a £25 million profit. The, possibly, good thing is that SL has no assets to strip, and nothing really to secure loans against. Its only asset is the SL ip which is worthless without the clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JF1 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 56 minutes ago, Damien said: The 9 years figure that Nadera quotes is obviously if a PE company doesn't do a thing and takes its TV money cut after giving £50 million in cash from its own pocket. PE doesnt work like that though. In reality a PE company would load up Super League with debt and put in little so that it gets much higher returns. A PE company could easily buy its stake in Super League for £50 million but only use £10 million of its own cash and load £40 million of debt onto Super League. Using Nadera's £7 million a year TV cut figure it could then bail after 5 years with a £25 million profit. Exactly,and with interest rates so low,why wouldn't they? I know which side of the deal I'd rather be on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, JF1 said: I know which side of the deal I'd rather be on. The outside? Private Equity, What would you spend it on? I could only come up with one suggestion ... 2 warning points Non-Political Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPosh Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Odsal Superdome. Close thread. People called Romans they go the house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Super League investment fund. Invest in shares in a number of growing businesses... build up contingency funds for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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