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19 minutes ago, Josef K said:

Thanks for that PREPOSTEROUS at least i know it now. Id imagine when it’s raining it gets a bit cramped under that little roof. 
Do you think WAFC will ever move in, at this moment in time they seem quite happy at Fev. I have always thought Wakey have had  a lovely pitch to play football on. 

Who knows, I believe there is some animosity between the clubs due to Rodney Walkers involvement with the football club but in the future I can see a mutually beneficial compromise. Fev suits them right now but if they progress anything like they want to I can see them wanting to play from the city otherwise they may as well be Featherstone FC.

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3 hours ago, PREPOSTEROUS said:

No, it's suppose to get a backing so it's not open towards the rear of the stand along with some food/drink outlets. Roof stays the same.

That’s disappointing, it’s clearly a very old structure, which doesn’t cover the full terrace and provides restricted views in some areas due to the stanchions. I had thought this was getting replaced 

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42 minutes ago, Josef K said:

Do you think WAFC will ever move in, at this moment in time they seem quite happy at Fev. I have always thought Wakey have had  a lovely pitch to play football on. 

 

20 minutes ago, PREPOSTEROUS said:

Who knows, I believe there is some animosity between the clubs due to Rodney Walkers involvement with the football club but in the future I can see a mutually beneficial compromise. Fev suits them right now but if they progress anything like they want to I can see them wanting to play from the city otherwise they may as well be Featherstone FC.

There was some questions from the fans about this at the recent fans forum.  Others can correct me but the general gist I recall from the top table was that

WFC were coming to the end of their current agreement with Fev which may or may not be renewed.

Ultimately WFC would like to play their home games somewhere in Wakefield

Other sporting clubs had shown an interest in using the revamped Belle Vue and Trinity would work with whichever was best for Trinity.

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6 minutes ago, DoubleD said:

That’s disappointing, it’s clearly a very old structure, which doesn’t cover the full terrace and provides restricted views in some areas due to the stanchions. I had thought this was getting replaced 

Preposterous is on about the North Stand which has only been up since Glover's days.  You I guess are talking about the mini stand on the Western Terrace?

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3 minutes ago, Wollo Wollo Wayoo said:

Preposterous is on about the North Stand which has only been up since Glover's days.  You I guess are talking about the mini stand on the Western Terrace?

They both went up same time and can’t be no older than 8? Years old possibly. 
 

They don’t appear to be run down and look fine. They are after all basic provisions. It’s not perfect but it covers over half the north stand and it will be improved with new barriers and terracing. Money only stretches so far but it’s a step in the right direction. 
 

West stand will likely be the next to get revamped but I think we will be looking at 3-5 years unless there’s some investment. 
 

if we could find some investment to further develop the west stand and provide a roof and whilst getting some low key refreshment options it would be a huge boost. Maybe with some partnership (long agreement as tenants ) from a local football club further developments and grants could be investigated from football. Who knows. Money makes more money and opportunities one hopes.

 

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Just now, WakefieldCityLoyal said:

That’s new, there was no roof on North terrace prior to that.

It doesn’t look it! 

Almost seems pointless, it doesn’t cover half the stand and obstructs views with the stanchions. I was hoping they were going to put in a proper external structure 

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21 minutes ago, DoubleD said:

That’s disappointing, it’s clearly a very old structure, which doesn’t cover the full terrace and provides restricted views in some areas due to the stanchions. I had thought this was getting replaced 

The roof is about 10 years old and solid. In an ideal world the terrace would be demolished and a new structure put in pace bur the moneys do not allow such a course of action.

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20 minutes ago, cookey said:

Have the Wakefield works, kick started any activity at Castleford, beyond the usual talks and promises?

They are where Trinity were three years or so ago, hopefully without a pandemic to delay matters. They have the £2m from the council and the developer is looking at a similar deal to the one that has just been resolved for BV.

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1 minute ago, PREPOSTEROUS said:

They are where Trinity were three years or so ago, hopefully without a pandemic to delay matters. They have the £2m from the council and the developer is looking at a similar deal to the one that has just been resolved for BV.

Thanks for that.

Modern facilities are absolutely critical for all clubs, whether in SL, League 1 or the community game. Not only to attract additional supporters/revenue but to provide appropriate facilities for players,sponsors etc.

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10 hours ago, DoubleD said:

That’s disappointing, it’s clearly a very old structure, which doesn’t cover the full terrace and provides restricted views in some areas due to the stanchions. I had thought this was getting replaced 

Oh didums, you poor old thing.

I'm sure that most Trinity fans will survive under this 10 year old structure. Don't worry it's not meant for you, not that I believe you've ever been to BV in years.

Luckily we Trin fans love it On a sunny day you can stand in the front paddock and take the rays. On the two days it actually rains there is plenty of cover if you have the nouse to step back ten feet or so.

As for the stanchions, these TWO! very thin bits of metal have never caused a moment of complaint from any of the faithful a far as i'm aware. You see it's a beloved standing terrace and due to this the viewing is fluid. Added to this over many decades of evolution the Trinity faithful have developed the ability to move there head one inch to the left or the right to overcome any momentary blind spot that a very small number may experience, simples!

We love the North stand and didn't want it replacing, our only request was that the crumbing terracing be revived, literally that was it. The club has done exactly what the fans wanted.

The biggest reason we wanted it was because it does something none of the atmosphere vacuum new wonder stadiums have ever managed. IT ACTUALLY CREATES AN ATMOSPHERE and THAT HELPS US WIN GAMES. I can't think of a better reason to keep the North stand fundamentally as it is, just fit for purpose.

So please feel free to go away and stop making up non-issues for the sake of it, or in other words, trolling.

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13 hours ago, Josef K said:

With not being up on the East, West, North, South parts of Belle Vue which stand is where the TV cameras go. Id be happy with just a bit of a corrugated tin roof to keep me dry and some decent terracing. 

The west is where the cameras go and the small roof was originally intended to go the whole length. Issues with sky wanting camera mountings and some height issue with planning meant that this never happened. 

The North terrace roof was done at the same time under momentum of the new Glover regime before it fell apart. It was a cheap effort which was seen as temporary (like all additions to BV at the time) as the new stadium at Newmarket was imminent. I'm sure it was just coincidental that the SL licensing renewals were progressing at the same time and they had to be seen to be doing something. 

The Carter regime has a different outlook and is very much focused on increasing revenue to establish long-term viability without a sugar daddy. This is the first time that BV has been seen as the permanent home for the club. The new all-singing, all-dancing west stand will provide income sources never previously available at BV.

Unfortunately,  spending money on the other sides will not generate the ROI possible from that development and hence put on hold until some future, indeterminate, date.

The focus is on bang for buck from a limited £12m budget. 

It will be interesting to see how much Cas manage to squeeze out of Axiom and what they decide to do with it. Their initial plans seem much more ambitious and will require significantly more cash. Axiom do seem a little more forthcoming and honest than Wakefield's developer, but it's early stages yet, so we will have to wait and see.

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2 hours ago, Kirmonds pouch said:

Oh didums, you poor old thing.

I'm sure that most Trinity fans will survive under this 10 year old structure. Don't worry it's not meant for you, not that I believe you've ever been to BV in years.

Luckily we Trin fans love it On a sunny day you can stand in the front paddock and take the rays. On the two days it actually rains there is plenty of cover if you have the nouse to step back ten feet or so.

As for the stanchions, these TWO! very thin bits of metal have never caused a moment of complaint from any of the faithful a far as i'm aware. You see it's a beloved standing terrace and due to this the viewing is fluid. Added to this over many decades of evolution the Trinity faithful have developed the ability to move there head one inch to the left or the right to overcome any momentary blind spot that a very small number may experience, simples!

We love the North stand and didn't want it replacing, our only request was that the crumbing terracing be revived, literally that was it. The club has done exactly what the fans wanted.

The biggest reason we wanted it was because it does something none of the atmosphere vacuum new wonder stadiums have ever managed. IT ACTUALLY CREATES AN ATMOSPHERE and THAT HELPS US WIN GAMES. I can't think of a better reason to keep the North stand fundamentally as it is, just fit for purpose.

So please feel free to go away and stop making up non-issues for the sake of it, or in other words, trolling.

Oh goody, you’re back.

Sorry for wishing Wakefield would bring their facilities upto the 21st century 

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3 hours ago, cookey said:

Have the Wakefield works, kick started any activity at Castleford, beyond the usual talks and promises?

Still waiting on handouts from Axiom, which shows absolutely no hint of progress (except a motorway junction design that looks like it was drawn by a 3 year old and will cause absolute mayhem at the junction in question).

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1 hour ago, Wholly Trinity said:

The west is where the cameras go and the small roof was originally intended to go the whole length. Issues with sky wanting camera mountings and some height issue with planning meant that this never happened. 

The North terrace roof was done at the same time under momentum of the new Glover regime before it fell apart. It was a cheap effort which was seen as temporary (like all additions to BV at the time) as the new stadium at Newmarket was imminent. I'm sure it was just coincidental that the SL licensing renewals were progressing at the same time and they had to be seen to be doing something. 

The Carter regime has a different outlook and is very much focused on increasing revenue to establish long-term viability without a sugar daddy. This is the first time that BV has been seen as the permanent home for the club. The new all-singing, all-dancing west stand will provide income sources never previously available at BV.

Unfortunately,  spending money on the other sides will not generate the ROI possible from that development and hence put on hold until some future, indeterminate, date.

The focus is on bang for buck from a limited £12m budget. 

It will be interesting to see how much Cas manage to squeeze out of Axiom and what they decide to do with it. Their initial plans seem much more ambitious and will require significantly more cash. Axiom do seem a little more forthcoming and honest than Wakefield's developer, but it's early stages yet, so we will have to wait and see.

You are pretty much spot on there. The only thing you got wrong was the height issue, there wasn't one. Both stands are actually temporary structures and as such are not part of the planning regime. The Sky thing is true, although it was a request not an order and one that was quite convenient for Glover as the money started to run out.

The truth is Trinity have received 12 million pounds of FREE money. We could either tart up all four sides to create a decent Championship stadium that would look ok but create ZERO revenue.

Or use the bulk of the cash to build a state of the art main stand that will produce revenue 24/7 (or close to).

Doing the latter was the only smart move. Remember this stand is FREE, we owe no repayments and as such it will create revenue from day 1. This revenue along with the the revenue from the new hybrid pitch and floodlights will then enable further development of the rest of the ground in time.

it's a win/win

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20 hours ago, Josef K said:

Thanks for that PREPOSTEROUS at least i know it now. Id imagine when it’s raining it gets a bit cramped under that little roof. 
Do you think WAFC will ever move in, at this moment in time they seem quite happy at Fev. I have always thought Wakey have had  a lovely pitch to play football on. 

Rather than a hill ? 😉

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11 hours ago, cookey said:

Have the Wakefield works, kick started any activity at Castleford, beyond the usual talks and promises?

Doesn't look like it,it's as if they don't care but we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. I've always said they should stay there ( and Wakefield there ground ) as they just need doing up and their history is there.

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On 16/08/2022 at 22:11, DoubleD said:

It doesn’t look it! 

Almost seems pointless, it doesn’t cover half the stand and obstructs views with the stanchions. I was hoping they were going to put in a proper external structure 

The roof of the North stand can/could only come down far down the terrace because the old lights "dropped" on hinges down onto the lower terrace for service.

Th new lights are lower and are serviced by "picker".

That said, the new plans don't (yet), include replacing that roof as yet.

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On 19/08/2022 at 23:02, dboy said:

The roof of the North stand can/could only come down far down the terrace because the old lights "dropped" on hinges down onto the lower terrace for service.

Th new lights are lower and are serviced by "picker".

That said, the new plans don't (yet), include replacing that roof as yet.

If I were you or anyone else I'd look at Trinity's decision to go with a hybrid pitch as a clue as to how this is going to go. It was nailed on as a 4G pitch until a month or so ago. The Football League have not yet approved 4G pitches as far as I'm aware.

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17 minutes ago, Kirmonds pouch said:

The Football League have not yet approved 4G pitches as far as I'm aware.

Still banned by the Football League but approved in every division below.

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52 minutes ago, Kirmonds pouch said:

If I were you or anyone else I'd look at Trinity's decision to go with a hybrid pitch as a clue as to how this is going to go. It was nailed on as a 4G pitch until a month or so ago. The Football League have not yet approved 4G pitches as far as I'm aware.

They want a football club to come on board and take over?

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