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9 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

I won't post my reaction to this ' news '  quite simply because even if I post a positive opinion , there would be what would be deemed a negative aspect to it as well , which would then ' pidgeon hole ' me as a member of the M 62 ' lot ' 🤐

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Me and my crew will be there come hell or high water.

Hope that they can keep a team together in Toronto.  Covid has affected everybody all round the world.  If it means stepping back to championship, league one or even USARL it will be a massi

Count on me and my posse being there....

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How do the people of Toronto look at the people of Ottawa and vice versa? Is there sporting rivalries there? I genuinely have little knowledge of sport in Canada or how they view each other away from the sporting arena and I’m asking because Ottawa have a place in the game from 2022 so I’m curious whether Ottawa plan on trying to tap into that lost audience at Toronto and whether they’d take a game there. 

Maybe if McDermott is so pro-North America, there may be a role for him at the Aces. 

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49 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

To some extent yes, but Toronto (and by extension Super League and Sky Sports) worked to maximise the impact of that signing beyond any signing in RL in the Super League era. That is how they boost the profile by making it easy for media. Equally I think the point is that Warrington didn't make that signing and perhaps only Wigan or Leeds Rhinos or maybe St Helens at a push have the general mass popular recognition to carry the media attention of a signing like that. 

On your second point, absolutely nobody was left asking why it wasn't in Warrington (or Rochdale where they were UK based), which is kind of the point Super League are slowly waking up to with their delocalised branding strategy. Equally, given a non covid affected season I would have expected a big "relaunch" in Toronto too as part of their home opener, so that is a total red herring. 

Like I said, Warrington are the team I most expect to follow some of Toronto's ideas.

The coverage wasn't because of TWP IMHO, it was because of SBW. That would go to any club who signed him. Of course there needs to be the basics in place, but SL clubs have that. 

I find the point odd that only Wigan, Leeds or Saints have the recognition to carry the signing, but TWP apparently nailed it. 

I really think you are overselling some of the things that happened tbh, but we've been round this so happy to agree to disagree. 

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Any club signing SBW would have attracted massive publicity. I think most people on here would agree with that.

However, it's something of a distractor here. The story of TWP has not just been about the SBW signing. Even before that, they were attracting column inches, social media hits and appearances on Canadian TV and radio, never mind in the UK. 

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5 minutes ago, Manxmanc said:

Any club signing SBW would have attracted massive publicity. I think most people on here would agree with that.

However, it's something of a distractor here. The story of TWP has not just been about the SBW signing. Even before that, they were attracting column inches, social media hits and appearances on Canadian TV and radio, never mind in the UK. 

TWP deserve a lot of credit for the work they did with their local media, they got plenty coverage.

Their biggest achievement for me was building a fanbase from scratch. That isn't easy, and it's frustrating Covid came at the time when they had just reached SL and they would move into their next phase which would surely have been to move towards monetising their business model and eating into those huge costs. 

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2 minutes ago, Dave T said:

TWP deserve a lot of credit for the work they did with their local media, they got plenty coverage.

Their biggest achievement for me was building a fanbase from scratch. That isn't easy, and it's frustrating Covid came at the time when they had just reached SL and they would move into their next phase which would surely have been to move towards monetising their business model and eating into those huge costs. 

I think that pretty well nails it.

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4 hours ago, Dave T said:

That isn't based on anything. The headlines and coverage came from signing the biggest name in Rugby. 

No, it was a combination of a big name and a new glamorous location.  Everyday run of the mill RL clubs just aren’t going to get anyone doing a double take. 

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3 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

I won't post my reaction to this ' news '  quite simply because even if I post a positive opinion , there would be what would be deemed a negative aspect to it as well , which would then ' pidgeon hole ' me as a member of the M 62 ' lot ' 🤐

Why do you put news in inverted commas? It’s definitely news however it turns out in the end.

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3 hours ago, Dave T said:

The coverage wasn't because of TWP IMHO, it was because of SBW. That would go to any club who signed him. Of course there needs to be the basics in place, but SL clubs have that. 

I find the point odd that only Wigan, Leeds or Saints have the recognition to carry the signing, but TWP apparently nailed it. 

I really think you are overselling some of the things that happened tbh, but we've been round this so happy to agree to disagree. 

Do you seriously believe that having a transatlantic team from a very large North American city having its first season in a top tier competition based primarily in England would not have got significant press attention for the sport in its own right? I can't believe that you or many others could truly believe that.

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13 minutes ago, Johnoco said:

No, it was a combination of a big name and a new glamorous location.  Everyday run of the mill RL clubs just aren’t going to get anyone doing a double take. 

People were interested when Widnes signed Jonathan Davies 30 years ago. 

It pains me to say it, it's the RU connection, sign a top RU player and it opens up attention from a big population. A huge name All Black even more so. 

When TWP signed other players they got standard coverage that aligned with what you would expect. 

TWP signed SBW for ezactly that coverage. 

There really is no need for existing club = bad, expansion club = good. 

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2 minutes ago, Hello said:

Do you seriously believe that having a transatlantic team from a very large North American city having its first season in a top tier competition based primarily in England would not have got significant press attention for the sport in its own right? I can't believe that you or many others could truly believe that.

You should ask somebody who said that. 

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57 minutes ago, Dave T said:

People were interested when Widnes signed Jonathan Davies 30 years ago. 

It pains me to say it, it's the RU connection, sign a top RU player and it opens up attention from a big population. A huge name All Black even more so. 

When TWP signed other players they got standard coverage that aligned with what you would expect. 

TWP signed SBW for ezactly that coverage. 

There really is no need for existing club = bad, expansion club = good. 

Where did I say existing clubs were bad? I said they are run of the mill.... everyday... boring even. And most are happy being big fish in a small pond.

I aren't sure what you are arguing about though, of course TWP signed him for those reasons, it's a great thing to do. The problem is hardly anyone else does, hence the lack of awareness of RL today.

 

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12 minutes ago, Johnoco said:

Where did I say existing clubs were bad? I said they are run of the mill.... everyday... boring even. And most are happy being big fish in a small pond.

I aren't sure what you are arguing about though, of course TWP signed him for those reasons, it's a great thing to do. The problem is hardly anyone else does, hence the lack of awareness of RL today.

 

My point is that SBW was a huge story and generated plenty of interest because he was SBW. If we want further proof, Sydney Roosters and the NRL also had a massive boost of interest when he signed for them. 

I disagree that other clubs wouldn't have generated the coverage had they signed SBW, which is the claim. 

A boring old run of the mill NRL club did just that and the marketing bods put a value of tens of millions of dollars marketing worth. 

TWP signed the closest thing to a Rugby household name, they got the noise that goes with that. As part of an awareness strategy it was a great move. I am not criticising a thing about it. The only criticism on this discussion is about m62 clubs, with claims they couldn't do the same. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Dave T said:

My point is that SBW was a huge story and generated plenty of interest because he was SBW. If we want further proof, Sydney Roosters and the NRL also had a massive boost of interest when he signed for them. 

I disagree that other clubs wouldn't have generated the coverage had they signed SBW, which is the claim. 

A boring old run of the mill NRL club did just that and the marketing bods put a value of tens of millions of dollars marketing worth. 

TWP signed the closest thing to a Rugby household name, they got the noise that goes with that. As part of an awareness strategy it was a great move. I am not criticising a thing about it. The only criticism on this discussion is about m62 clubs, with claims they couldn't do the same. 

 

The evidence they couldn't is that they didn't, and most of their fans displayed the attitude of financial prudence etc and the horrible "sustainability" mantra our sport has been infested with.

We need clubs with the ability to draw big names in not as a last resort (ie Folau) but for positive reasons, including financial. I don't really care if they are from Toronto or Batley, but without them there will be zero impetus for the game to kick on.

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9 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

The evidence they couldn't is that they didn't, and most of their fans displayed the attitude of financial prudence etc and the horrible "sustainability" mantra our sport has been infested with.

We need clubs with the ability to draw big names in not as a last resort (ie Folau) but for positive reasons, including financial. I don't really care if they are from Toronto or Batley, but without them there will be zero impetus for the game to kick on.

It is a bizarre logic to claim that if clubs don't do something it is evidence that they can't. It ignores the choice of not doing that thing. 

Personally I think there have been some very good signings for SL over the last year or two. I'm not sure why we are ignoring that. 

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20 minutes ago, Dave T said:

It is a bizarre logic to claim that if clubs don't do something it is evidence that they can't. It ignores the choice of not doing that thing. 

Personally I think there have been some very good signings for SL over the last year or two. I'm not sure why we are ignoring that. 

Its bizarre to claim that any other Super League club would have thought about signing SBW. These are organisations that routinely pay first team players >17k a year and most have had zero interest (or more likely ability through lack of investment) in growing their attendances.

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1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:

Its bizarre to claim that any other Super League club would have thought about signing SBW. These are organisations that routinely pay first team players >17k a year and most have had zero interest (or more likely ability through lack of investment) in growing their attendances.

And here we go again, ripping the existing clubs to pieces. It didn't take long. I'll leave you to it Tommy. 

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2 hours ago, Dave T said:

People were interested when Widnes signed Jonathan Davies 30 years ago. 

It pains me to say it, it's the RU connection, sign a top RU player and it opens up attention from a big population. A huge name All Black even more so. 

When TWP signed other players they got standard coverage that aligned with what you would expect. 

TWP signed SBW for ezactly that coverage. 

There really is no need for existing club = bad, expansion club = good. 

If Davies had invested his 230,000 pound signing on fee into property he would have something in the region of 2 million pounds in his back pocket now. He could sign SBW.

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3 minutes ago, Dave T said:

And here we go again, ripping the existing clubs to pieces. It didn't take long. I'll leave you to it Tommy. 

You're consistent point here has been a variation of "if my auntie had male genitals she'd be...". Well newsflash, she doesn't and the other clubs didn't, so its a silly deflection argument.

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This story does have all the hallmarks of a great book "The Team Who Came In From the Cold." I'm not sure if it would be a tale of Rugby League Redemption or a story of redemption for TGG.

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"They are what we thought they were." Danny Green

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Its bizarre to claim that any other Super League club would have thought about signing SBW. These are organisations that routinely pay first team players >17k a year and most have had zero interest (or more likely ability through lack of investment) in growing their attendances.

No one would sign SBW because sadly he is past it.  The worry as an example for Wigan is that Burgess may be crocked.  Let's hope not eh? 

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1 minute ago, Rupert Prince said:

No one would sign SBW because sadly he is past it.  The worry as an example for Wigan is that Burgess may be crocked.  Let's hope not eh? 

Which is precisely the point, the accountant and the coach would say its not worth it, even if the marketing lead insisted it would be an excellent investment, which is why nobody would, because very few of our clubs very well on that front.

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2 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said:

No one would sign SBW because sadly he is past it.  The worry as an example for Wigan is that Burgess may be crocked.  Let's hope not eh? 

I thought being past their best was the norm for NRL players joining Superleague clubs.

Burgess was not only past his best,he was signed with a chronic hip problem.

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