jacobus Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 39 minutes ago, Lowdesert said: I read that Catalans have signed Whare from Penrith. He is a centre, so presumed that this was to replace a Folau. I don’t think Guasch or SMac are green enough to be convinced by anything Folau does. He was to replace David Mead I read somewhere. Fancy a game of touch in Cambs or Lincs? DM me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Catalans should refuse to release him unless St George pay a fee. They invested in him, took a punt and gave him a lifeline when no one else would. Its the least they deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 58 minutes ago, Damien said: Catalans should refuse to release him unless St George pay a fee. They invested in him, took a punt and gave him a lifeline when no one else would. Its the least they deserve. sounds totally fair to me see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrisbaneRhino Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I love Paul Gallen's twisted logic on Folau. Apparently the NRL should allow him in due to their policy of inclusion for all, despite the fact his views are completely exclusionary. He does go on to question how good Folau will be though. Media today has been interesting. Channel 9 breakfast roundly condemned Folau playing NRL, ditto some other outlets. If I was the NRL I wouldn't be happy with St George handing them this dumpster fire to deal with. The PR could have been managed in a much more controlled way - e.g. getting Folau and his wife interviewed sympathetically to show what nice people they are and to wordsmith something along the lines of not wanting to hurt anybody 9without apologising or backing down of course), and a broader strategy to humanise him. That should all have been done before anyone announced signing him. Anything along those lines now will just look like cynical hackwork. At best St George are using the media reaction to work out whether or not to sign him. At worst (which seems far more likely given the release of McInnes) they had already decided to go ahead and either didn't understand or care at all about the sport as a whole or the potential negative impact on their own club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 St George drop their pursuit of Folau https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/dragons-pull-pin-on-israel-folau-deal-after-extraordinary-general-meeting-20210203-p56z9q.html Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobus Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I wonder if he will be off to the Top14 ? Not sure I see a way back to Catalans despite the articles claiming he is trying to allay their fears. Who guessed this time last year that this would all end up being a mess Fancy a game of touch in Cambs or Lincs? DM me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 24 minutes ago, gingerjon said: St George drop their pursuit of Folau https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/dragons-pull-pin-on-israel-folau-deal-after-extraordinary-general-meeting-20210203-p56z9q.html What a shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manfred Mann Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 This is good news for fans of rugby league in France. It now seems likely that Izzy will stay with Catalans, and perhaps begin to show what a talented player he really is. Interesting that with Inglis at Warrington and Folau at Catalans we will have both centres from the champion Melbourne Storm team of 2008 playing in Super League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 21 minutes ago, Manfred Mann said: This is good news for fans of rugby league in France. It now seems likely that Izzy will stay with Catalans, and perhaps begin to show what a talented player he really is. Interesting that with Inglis at Warrington and Folau at Catalans we will have both centres from the champion Melbourne Storm team of 2008 playing in Super League. Have his real and genuine and absolutely true concerns about travel, quarantine and family all been resolved? That is good news. I was so worried. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 37 minutes ago, Manfred Mann said: This is good news for fans of rugby league in France. It now seems likely that Izzy will stay with Catalans, and perhaps begin to show what a talented player he really is. Interesting that with Inglis at Warrington and Folau at Catalans we will have both centres from the champion Melbourne Storm team of 2008 playing in Super League. Didn’t Inglis play stand off in the 2008 season when Melbourne finished as losing Grand Finalists. I seriously doubt we’ll get to see those versions in Superleague this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manfred Mann Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Melbourne Storm centre Israel Folau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 Folau’s replacement ? https://www.zerotackle.com/panthers-veteran-set-for-exit-amid-two-year-deal-abroad-nrl-97802/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Zero+Tackle&fbclid=IwAR1E_0jEV7wyS9f6iOOpH2RdTj9GdX3Smz9C2CpBwPAOTq0a2z2FAYOZfSM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 11 hours ago, BrisbaneRhino said: I love Paul Gallen's twisted logic on Folau. Apparently the NRL should allow him in due to their policy of inclusion for all, despite the fact his views are completely exclusionary. He does go on to question how good Folau will be though. Media today has been interesting. Channel 9 breakfast roundly condemned Folau playing NRL, ditto some other outlets. If I was the NRL I wouldn't be happy with St George handing them this dumpster fire to deal with. The PR could have been managed in a much more controlled way - e.g. getting Folau and his wife interviewed sympathetically to show what nice people they are and to wordsmith something along the lines of not wanting to hurt anybody 9without apologising or backing down of course), and a broader strategy to humanise him. That should all have been done before anyone announced signing him. Anything along those lines now will just look like cynical hackwork. At best St George are using the media reaction to work out whether or not to sign him. At worst (which seems far more likely given the release of McInnes) they had already decided to go ahead and either didn't understand or care at all about the sport as a whole or the potential negative impact on their own club. Humanise him? What are you on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunedan Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 When you sign a weasel you get a weasel... Not going to miss him - don't think he should've been allowed into Super League in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, Dunedan said: When you sign a weasel you get a weasel... Not going to miss him - don't think he should've been allowed into Super League in the first place. Strong words. Why don’t you think he should have been allowed into SL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunedan Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 25 minutes ago, Eddie said: Strong words. Why don’t you think he should have been allowed into SL? Really? You really have to ask that? I don't think he should've been allowed into Super League because I don't think bigots and homophobia should be in a competition that is supposed to be inclusive. I would've thought that was obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 12 hours ago, BrisbaneRhino said: I love Paul Gallen's twisted logic on Folau. Apparently the NRL should allow him in due to their policy of inclusion for all, despite the fact his views are completely exclusionary. I think Gallen's views are entirely reasonable. Let's remember, all Folau has done is address the views of many many millions of people across the world and many of the people who play Rugby League as well. His mistake was to express his views extremely poorly and continue to do so after being warned to stop by the ARU. If he had expressed his deeply held beliefs in a more considered manner there would have been no furore (and he would still be playing for the Wallabies). Surely inclusivity means you should welcome those that you do not align with. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, Dunedan said: Really? You really have to ask that? I don't think he should've been allowed into Super League because I don't think bigots and homophobia should be in a competition that is supposed to be inclusive. I would've thought that was obvious. I don’t think it’s obvious that you’d want someone banned from playing sport because they have an opinion that’s different to the majority of us, no. If he’d harmed anyone or invited violence yes, but as far as I’m aware he hasn’t. As a drinker and former fornicator he thinks I’m going to hell too, but it doesn’t bother me he can think what he likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, Dunedan said: Really? You really have to ask that? I don't think he should've been allowed into Super League because I don't think bigots and homophobia should be in a competition that is supposed to be inclusive. I would've thought that was obvious. I do not agree with Super League banning players that are legally allowed to play here. I don't think the games administrators should be able to rule on a whim and be judge, jury and executor. I don't see how anyone can decide on some arbitrary line when so many players playing the game are far from angels. I'd like to think that clubs have standards and lead by example. The onus should be on them to make the call and deal with the consequences of that call. St George seem to have second thoughts because of the possible consequences and its only right in my opinion that the call is up to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunedan Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Eddie said: I don’t think it’s obvious that you’d want someone banned from playing sport because they have an opinion that’s different to the majority of us, no. If he’d harmed anyone or invited violence yes, but as far as I’m aware he hasn’t. As a drinker and former fornicator he thinks I’m going to hell too, but it doesn’t bother me he can think what he likes. You're mileage may vary. That's a call for you to make. Given the context of who we are talking about, I would have thought it was obvious what anyone's objection might be though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 at the end of the day - a club made an enquiry about signing a player from another club and that's all- if it had been most other players it would hardly have nudged the radar of the news see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrisbaneRhino Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Eddie - by 'humanise' I mean try to get some air time to show he's a person and not just some ranting evangelical crazy. Its management 101 to try to rehabilitate his image a bit before the Dragons announced anything. Not at all surprised this happened. Dragons yet again showing what an amateurishly run club they are - cause a stink then don't sign Folau and lose McInnes into the bargain. This either fell apart because the NRL told them to get stuffed, or all those sponsors that supposedly backed signing Folau turned out to have fried in the real world. More likely they didn't really do any consultation, including with some of their own board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMEGA Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 14 hours ago, Manfred Mann said: This is good news for fans of rugby league in France. It now seems likely that Izzy will stay with Catalans, and perhaps begin to show what a talented player he really is. Interesting that with Inglis at Warrington and Folau at Catalans we will have both centres from the champion Melbourne Storm team of 2008 playing in Super League. The key part of your post is “2008” what a sad reflection on Super League that two of our play off clubs are recruiting old Aussies that we’re plying their trade in the NRL 13 years ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taniwha Warriors Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 16 hours ago, Dunedan said: Really? You really have to ask that? I don't think he should've been allowed into Super League because I don't think bigots and homophobia should be in a competition that is supposed to be inclusive. I would've thought that was obvious. Yeah, lets just allowed wife beaters, drug cheats and ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 51 minutes ago, Taniwha Warriors said: Yeah, lets just allowed wife beaters, drug cheats and ? We shouldn't allow those either TBH. Not without an expectation that those who fall into that category address their behaviour. And I'm aware that this affects a number of players. The fact that it does should cause us some concern. The fact that it usually doesn't "because what they do on the pitch is all that matters" is also a problem. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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