Tommygilf Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, marklaspalmas said: No, no, no. You're wrong. Ask Gubrats. Lol he's just jealous and has nothing to hold over folk like you in a "who's the bigger supporter" willy measuring contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Horseman Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 This is probably a stupid question and I have missed something obvious, but... The 1st round of SL games are all being played at Leeds and the second round all at St Helens, in similar style to alst year. I've seen nothing to suggest that the Championship/L1 games are being played at a communal ground though, they seem to be taking place at the official home team's venue, yet at staggered times (for the OurLeague coverage). Is this correct, and if so, what's the reasoning? Do we have any more details on what the OurLeague coverage is going to consisst of ie who films it/commentates? Don't get me wrong, I think the fact that such widespread coverage is going to be available is fantastic, just wondering if we will have a series of homer commentators raising the blood pressure of away fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Horseman Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Just seen something on the Oldham website about the broadcasts: "...clubs have to underwrite all broadcasting costs. They take 90 per cent of any profit, but it is still regarded as essential to their financial well-being that the online initiative proves popular with supporters." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, The Phantom Horseman said: Just seen something on the Oldham website about the broadcasts: "...clubs have to underwrite all broadcasting costs. They take 90 per cent of any profit, but it is still regarded as essential to their financial well-being that the online initiative proves popular with supporters." Difference with SL is Sky are footing the Bill. All games at one location will cut costs for Sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger06 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, The Phantom Horseman said: This is probably a stupid question and I have missed something obvious, but... The 1st round of SL games are all being played at Leeds and the second round all at St Helens, in similar style to alst year. I've seen nothing to suggest that the Championship/L1 games are being played at a communal ground though, they seem to be taking place at the official home team's venue, yet at staggered times (for the OurLeague coverage). Is this correct, and if so, what's the reasoning? Do we have any more details on what the OurLeague coverage is going to consisst of ie who films it/commentates? Don't get me wrong, I think the fact that such widespread coverage is going to be available is fantastic, just wondering if we will have a series of homer commentators raising the blood pressure of away fans? It's a win for Sky having the games centralised and win for SL to not pay for places like KCOM & DW. Whilst it's probably more covid safe not having teams congregate all in one location, with more Championship grounds been owned or much cheaper usage agreements...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanzer98 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 It is good to have the option to see the championship and CC on TV. Anyhow, I think the pricing is far off the market. Streaming doesn't have the event and feel good character of attending games. Empty stadia and the lack of atmosphere ain't good either for watching at home. Therefore pricing should be reasonably. If I compare it to other streaming services I doubt that prices are fair - at least from an EU mainland perspective and the options available. All NRL games are at EUR155 via watchnrl, Superleague is at GBP100 (weekly 5, monthly 18), Superrugby Aotearoa GBP35 (weekly 7), RugbyPass with Pro14/Curry/Mitre/Rugby Championship is at GBP35, Heineken Champions and Challenge Cup weekend pass EUR 14. Then you have other plattforms like DAZN with lots of sports content. Personally I don't get the rationale behind the pricing. If it is to give fans an option to watch the games of their clubs it is fine, if it is to attract neutrals or casuals it fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DI Keith Fowler Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Just now, lanzer98 said: It is good to have the option to see the championship and CC on TV. Anyhow, I think the pricing is far off the market. Streaming doesn't have the event and feel good character of attending games. Empty stadia and the lack of atmosphere ain't good either for watching at home. Therefore pricing should be reasonably. If I compare it to other streaming services I doubt that prices are fair - at least from an EU mainland perspective and the options available. All NRL games are at EUR155 via watchnrl, Superleague is at GBP100 (weekly 5, monthly 18), Superrugby Aotearoa GBP35 (weekly 7), RugbyPass with Pro14/Curry/Mitre/Rugby Championship is at GBP35, Heineken Champions and Challenge Cup weekend pass EUR 14. Then you have other plattforms like DAZN with lots of sports content. Personally I don't get the rationale behind the pricing. If it is to give fans an option to watch the games of their clubs it is fine, if it is to attract neutrals or casuals it fails. I don't think £5 a game is above the market price? I've seen non-league football teams charging about that. It would be interesting to see what a subscription model would do, £10 a month for all the games or something like that. I can't be the only person who's had gym/netflix/streaming subscriptions that I've kept for months despite infrequent use. I know it might be a bit underhand but an introductory month then up it. Unless the plan is literally just to get through these months of COVID until crowds are back then revert to whatever it was before. I was born to run a club like this. Number 1, I do not spook easily, and those who think I do, are wasting their time, with their surprise attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanzer98 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 A 5er per game is fine but why does it go up to 10 on matchday? Anyhow, I was referring to weekend and annual passes. My comparables were RU and RL related only. It seems to me that a Tier2 competition is more expensive than a Tier1. So why would an AUS, NZ, or EU Customer buy in to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 24 minutes ago, lanzer98 said: A 5er per game is fine but why does it go up to 10 on matchday? So that you'll commit early and not want to spend a tenner. Non league football locally (Eastbourne) is £7 per stream; Football League is £10 a stream. I've just checked a Scottish Championship game and that is also £10 a stream. We're absolutely in the ballpark of comparative prices. And another example ... Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, lanzer98 said: A 5er per game is fine but why does it go up to 10 on matchday? Anyhow, I was referring to weekend and annual passes. My comparables were RU and RL related only. It seems to me that a Tier2 competition is more expensive than a Tier1. So why would an AUS, NZ, or EU Customer buy in to it. They are not the target audience though. Would it being £2 greatly increase subscribers from those places? I highly doubt it but it would certainly make it unfeasible costs wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanzer98 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 20 minutes ago, gingerjon said: So that you'll commit early and not want to spend a tenner. Non league football locally (Eastbourne) is £7 per stream; Football League is £10 a stream. I've just checked a Scottish Championship game and that is also £10 a stream. We're absolutely in the ballpark of comparative prices. ... sometimes plans to watch a game change for family reason. Therefore I prefer annual/monthly subscriptions so you can watch the games on demand whenever you want or I buy late selectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanzer98 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 28 minutes ago, Damien said: They are not the target audience though. Would it being £2 greatly increase subscribers from those places? I highly doubt it but it would certainly make it unfeasible costs wise. That is probably the reason. Although it won’t prevent me to watch some games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, lanzer98 said: ... sometimes plans to watch a game change for family reason. Therefore I prefer annual/monthly subscriptions so you can watch the games on demand whenever you want or I buy late selectively. That's fine. But that's not what's being offered so you'll need to decide whether £10 a game - the same price as the Football League - is too high. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Gordon Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 59 minutes ago, DI Keith Fowler said: Unless the plan is literally just to get through these months of COVID until crowds are back then revert to whatever it was before. At least while Sky own the rights, I think the streaming can only happen whilst crowds are absent. Which I think is a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DI Keith Fowler Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Just now, Archie Gordon said: At least while Sky own the rights, I think the streaming can only happen whilst crowds are absent. Which I think is a shame. I'm forever confused by Sky owning the rights to matches they have no intention of ever showing. Even if we gave them a 10% cut, it wouldn't be much money to Sky but it would be more than, you know, zero. I was born to run a club like this. Number 1, I do not spook easily, and those who think I do, are wasting their time, with their surprise attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigbyLuger Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Hasn't a figure of over £1000 to cover a match been mentioned? That's a lot of subscribers to just break even. It's not as if, like the NRL, the cameras are already going to be at West Wales vs. London Skolars for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, RigbyLuger said: Hasn't a figure of over £1000 to cover a match been mentioned? That's a lot of subscribers to just break even. It's not as if, like the NRL, the cameras are already going to be at West Wales vs. London Skolars for example. £1,250 per match unless the club themselves can find suppliers to do it to the same minimum standard but cheaper. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, RigbyLuger said: Hasn't a figure of over £1000 to cover a match been mentioned? That's a lot of subscribers to just break even. It's not as if, like the NRL, the cameras are already going to be at West Wales vs. London Skolars for example. Games have to be recorded anyway, presumably for potential disciplinary reasons. So it’s just the additional kit/software/whatever to stream it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Gordon Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 25 minutes ago, DI Keith Fowler said: I'm forever confused by Sky owning the rights to matches they have no intention of ever showing. Yep. Shouldn't have this limitation in 2022 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whippet13 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: Games have to be recorded anyway, presumably for potential disciplinary reasons. So it’s just the additional kit/software/whatever to stream it. It's also the presentation format, picture quality, commentary, graphics etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 24 minutes ago, Whippet13 said: It's also the presentation format, picture quality, commentary, graphics etc. The key thing being it has to be broadcast quality not "good enough for the disciplinary" quality. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrewxi Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 4 hours ago, lanzer98 said: It is good to have the option to see the championship and CC on TV. Anyhow, I think the pricing is far off the market. Streaming doesn't have the event and feel good character of attending games. Empty stadia and the lack of atmosphere ain't good either for watching at home. Therefore pricing should be reasonably. If I compare it to other streaming services I doubt that prices are fair - at least from an EU mainland perspective and the options available. All NRL games are at EUR155 via watchnrl, Superleague is at GBP100 (weekly 5, monthly 18), Superrugby Aotearoa GBP35 (weekly 7), RugbyPass with Pro14/Curry/Mitre/Rugby Championship is at GBP35, Heineken Champions and Challenge Cup weekend pass EUR 14. Then you have other plattforms like DAZN with lots of sports content. Personally I don't get the rationale behind the pricing. If it is to give fans an option to watch the games of their clubs it is fine, if it is to attract neutrals or casuals it fails. I agree with this post. However, have I missed something? Can I pay 100 quid a year and watch all super league matches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 If the lower tier clubs had been sorting out a YouTube ( or similar ) highlights show as they should have done years ago , they'd have been working at that level by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigbyLuger Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: If the lower tier clubs had been sorting out a YouTube ( or similar ) highlights show as they should have done years ago , they'd have been working at that level by now They wasted the opportunity by having another vehicle for Alex Simmons and the Rugby AM crew, who got work constantly from the RFL but never produced what was needed, that highlights show you mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanzer98 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, thebrewxi said: I agree with this post. However, have I missed something? Can I pay 100 quid a year and watch all super league matches? SuperLeague‘s streaming service outside UK is at: www.live.rugby-league.com They offer weekly, monthly, and annual passes. Annual pass is GBP100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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