Mr Plow Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 I believe Wakefield are the only city in England without a pro football club which makes me wonder how Wakefield Trinity can use this to their advantage. Wonder they get better crowds if they had better facilities? Is there more they can do in the community? There’s a large Polish population, have they interacted with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Last time I went to Belle Vue some bloke shouted “You ###### racist Polish bast*rd!”, so there’s at least some sort of interaction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Salford were also a city without a pro football team till very recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLANTISMAN Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 19 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Salford were also a city without a pro football team till very recently. Off subject well done on last nights performance Harry ,shame you lost very enjoyable match to watch as a neutral. Bobby Ball needs replacing at 6 impressed with Thornley on that showing you have every chance of starting up. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barley Mow Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 18 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Salford were also a city without a pro football team till very recently. If we say down to National League North/South (tier 6) is professional football, then all of the following English cities don't have a professional team: Canterbury, Chichester, Durham, Ely, Lancaster, Lichfield, Ripon, Salisbury, Truro, Wakefield, Wells, Winchester & Worcester. But I do agree that Wakefield should be able to take better advantage of not having competition from another sport/club in the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMEGA Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Wakefield are the LARGEST U.K. City without Professional Football League representation, not “the only”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLANTISMAN Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Barley Mow said: If we say down to National League North/South (tier 6) is professional football, then all of the following English cities don't have a professional team: Canterbury, Chichester, Durham, Ely, Lancaster, Lichfield, Ripon, Salisbury, Truro, Wakefield, Wells, Winchester & Worcester. But I do agree that Wakefield should be able to take better advantage of not having competition from another sport/club in the city. Canterbury City were in the old Southern League and made the semi finals of the FA Vase 2 seasons ago. Salisbury and Worcester were southern league teams for years. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barley Mow Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said: Canterbury City were in the old Southern League and made the semi finals of the FA Vase 2 seasons ago. Salisbury and Worcester were southern league teams for years. Paul Similar to Emley/Wakefield-Emley/Wakefield FC in the Northern Premier before they folded I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tms Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, Barley Mow said: But I do agree that Wakefield should be able to take better advantage of not having competition from another sport/club in the city. just because you don't have football means people will rush to RL and in wakey's case people living in wakey also support FEV and the other lot 1 hour ago, Mr Plow said: I believe Wakefield are the only city in England without a pro football club that's truebut they have a team called wakefield afc who play homes games at FEV who' says Wakefield AFC was formed in 2019 by a consortium of businessmen including former Sheffield Wednesday & Manchester United Goalkeeper, Chris Turner. Wakefield is the largest city in the UK without a professional football team and it is our mission to change that. Our plan: 2024 – Bet Victor Northern PL D1 2026 – Bet Victor Northern PL PD 2028 – National League North 2030 – National League 2033 – League 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 19 minutes ago, OMEGA said: Wakefield is the LARGEST U.K. City without Professional Football League representation, not “the only”. Quite. I don't remember seeing St Asaph or St Davids on the pools coupon. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 If Wakefield, Featherstone and Castleford are at home on the same weekend (pre-covid), you are looking at 10-15,000 people attending RL in the city of Wakefield. Therein lies the problem if you are looking for a dominant one city club. I'm not saying it should change but even in my family growing up loyalties were split across the 3 clubs. It was its strength when sport was built on local rivalries and local entertainment, it is a hindrance now if you want a super club in the city unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 37 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said: Off subject well done on last nights performance Harry ,shame you lost very enjoyable match to watch as a neutral. Bobby Ball needs replacing at 6 impressed with Thornley on that showing you have every chance of starting up. Paul Still of topic. Bobby Ball of 18 months ago would have been better than 'Wallace' of the 'Grommitt' association that was out there last evening, it's no wonder that TWP were not very good with him and McCrone in the same team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Prophet Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Mr Plow said: I believe Wakefield are the only city in England without a pro football club which makes me wonder how Wakefield Trinity can use this to their advantage. Wonder they get better crowds if they had better facilities? Is there more they can do in the community? There’s a large Polish population, have they interacted with them? Agree, they should get a new stadium. I mean... what’s stopping them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Browny Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Barley Mow said: If we say down to National League North/South (tier 6) is professional football, then all of the following English cities don't have a professional team: Canterbury, Chichester, Durham, Ely, Lancaster, Lichfield, Ripon, Salisbury, Truro, Wakefield, Wells, Winchester & Worcester. But I do agree that Wakefield should be able to take better advantage of not having competition from another sport/club in the city. Some of those cities aren't much bigger than Cas. I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 22 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said: Agree, they should get a new stadium. I mean... what’s stopping them? For the last 40 years a mixture of financial mismanagement (compounded by the flawed stadium) and an unhelpful Local Authority - two things virtually every other RL club with a developed modern ground has had at least in some part. Wakefield (and Cas tbf) have at least been able to hold onto some facilities. Both could have quite easily gone the way of Oldham or Swinton on the other side of the Pennines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wholly Trinity Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 The problem with this stat is that it conflates the district (325k) with the city (100k) ... it really isn't big Levelling up the city and 5 towns has been a millstone for the city since 1974 Added to that the rapidly expanding city of Leeds has sucked in all the govt admin jobs and buildings. Wakefield was the county seat of the west riding now it's lost almost everything to Leeds Even the cathedral is now in the diocese of Leeds since 2014... no more bishop of Wakefield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barley Mow Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 32 minutes ago, Just Browny said: Some of those cities aren't much bigger than Cas. A couple of them are as small as Featherstone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barley Mow Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, Wholly Trinity said: The problem with this stat is that it conflates the district (325k) with the city (100k) ... it really isn't big Levelling up the city and 5 towns has been a millstone for the city since 1974 Added to that the rapidly expanding city of Leeds has sucked in all the govt admin jobs and buildings. Wakefield was the county seat of the west riding now it's lost almost everything to Leeds Even the cathedral is now in the diocese of Leeds since 2014... no more bishop of Wakefield This comes up a lot. The district being called the City of Wakefield causes confusion with the settlement (city) of Wakefield. The district of course has three pro-RL clubs before considering other sports. Same thing with Wigan district including Leigh. Wakefield was a sensible place for the seat of the West Riding council because of its location, the West Riding stretching from Sedbergh to Sheffield. Splitting that area up for administrative purposes was always going to make Leeds more of a focus for a more limited West Yorkshire. The Bishop of Wakefield still exists but is now a suffragan (assistant) to the Bishop of Leeds. The fact that RL is so concentrated in specific areas has resulted in a number of medium sized towns (and cities) having a RL team instead of a (lower league) association football team - Wakefield, Castleford, Dewsbury, Batley, St Helens, Warrington, Widnes, Salford until recently. Even somewhere like Leeds might be expected to have two football teams, but has one football and one rugby club instead. Could these clubs make more of not having in town competition or should they just be grateful they don't have that competition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, Wholly Trinity said: The problem with this stat is that it conflates the district (325k) with the city (100k) ... it really isn't big Levelling up the city and 5 towns has been a millstone for the city since 1974 Added to that the rapidly expanding city of Leeds has sucked in all the govt admin jobs and buildings. Wakefield was the county seat of the west riding now it's lost almost everything to Leeds Even the cathedral is now in the diocese of Leeds since 2014... no more bishop of Wakefield Indeed, the amalgamation of Wakefield into the conurbation of Leeds is an ongoing process that is basically inevitable. Culturally it has happened already across much of the City and 5 towns, as you say its happened formally with the church and one assumes that the "West Yorkshire Mayor" we are getting will be based in Leeds too. Wakefield is also well within the commuter belt of Leeds. That said, Wakefield (both the city and the club) has to forge a new identity going forwards and take advantage of the fact that there are still plenty of people who's first love is RL in the city and wider region. Hopefully the new stand can be part of that in a longer term project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Barley Mow said: If we say down to National League North/South (tier 6) is professional football, then all of the following English cities don't have a professional team: Canterbury, Chichester, Durham, Ely, Lancaster, Lichfield, Ripon, Salisbury, Truro, Wakefield, Wells, Winchester & Worcester. But I do agree that Wakefield should be able to take better advantage of not having competition from another sport/club in the city. Ely and Wells are both tiny (and both fabulous places). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barley Mow Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Eddie said: Ely and Wells are both tiny (and both fabulous places). Ditto Ripon and Truro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meast Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Wakefield and it's surrounding areas is a hard market to crack for football clubs, most of them fall under the Leeds Utd or Huddersfield Town camps, having no substantial local club to follow, however, like Harrogate, Salford and other places seemingly immune to supporting their local teams, I'm sure the people of Wakefield would happily jump on a moneyed bandwagon should it happen? Huddersfield Giants Supporters Association Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dboy Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 5 hours ago, Scubby said: If Wakefield, Featherstone and Castleford are at home on the same weekend (pre-covid), you are looking at 10-15,000 people attending RL in the city of Wakefield. Therein lies the problem if you are looking for a dominant one city club. I'm not saying it should change but even in my family growing up loyalties were split across the 3 clubs. It was its strength when sport was built on local rivalries and local entertainment, it is a hindrance now if you want a super club in the city unfortunately. They are three separate places. It is a Metropolitan area. If any any of the clubs ceased to exist, the fans would not gravitate to one of the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curly perm Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Football fans in Wakey, Cas and Fev are generally Leeds United fans, Barnsley and Huddersfield. Football surrounds Wakefield and is the dominant sport in the country. Wakefield not having a football team means absolutely nothing. Yes, facilities are a major issue. Trinity are trying to interact though. The Wakefield Scrum Days in the city centre (cancelled for covid last year) and some of the recent foundation stuff - offering kids clubs and meals, online courses etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 6 hours ago, Barley Mow said: If we say down to National League North/South (tier 6) is professional football, then all of the following English cities don't have a professional team: Canterbury, Chichester, Durham, Ely, Lancaster, Lichfield, Ripon, Salisbury, Truro, Wakefield, Wells, Winchester & Worcester. But I do agree that Wakefield should be able to take better advantage of not having competition from another sport/club in the city. I still have dreams of setting up Wells Angels RLFC to take advantage of the lack of pro football there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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